Legislature(2001 - 2002)

03/31/2001 11:19 AM House JUD

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HB 4 - OMNIBUS DRUNK DRIVING AMENDMENTS                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0732                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  announced the  next order  of business  would be,                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO.  4,  "An  Act  relating  to  offenses  involving                                                               
operating a  motor vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft  while under                                                               
the influence  of an alcoholic beverage  or controlled substance;                                                               
relating to implied consent to  take a chemical test; relating to                                                               
registration of motor vehicles;  relating to presumptions arising                                                               
from the  amount of alcohol  in a  person's breath or  blood; and                                                               
providing  for an  effective date."   [Before  the committee  was                                                               
CSHB 4(TRA) and proposed amendments.]                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Because  of  their  length,  some   amendments  to  CSHB  4(TRA)                                                               
discussed or adopted  during the meeting are found at  the end of                                                               
the final  section of  minutes for  this date on  HB 4.   Shorter                                                               
amendments are included in the main text.]                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  stated his understanding  that Amendments  24 and                                                               
[26]  were no  longer necessary  because of  the deletion  of the                                                               
diversion  program; Amendment  32 was  included in  Amendment 11;                                                               
and Amendment [33] was included in Amendment 34, as amended.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ, as sponsor  of Amendments 24, [26], 32,                                                               
and [33], concurred.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG called an at-ease from 11:30 a.m. to 11:32 a.m.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0862                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ remade  the motion  to adopt  Amendment                                                               
25, which had been withdrawn  on 3/29/01 and which read [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 11                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Delete, lines 2 - 11                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber accordingly                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ explained  that  he  had concern  about                                                               
this type  of crime [of  enabling].  Usually, crimes  are written                                                               
about in the  negative, "thou shalt not kill" or  "thou shall not                                                               
steal."   Here, however, people are  affirmatively being required                                                               
to  do something  since anyone  who allows  a person  who is  not                                                               
validly licensed  to drive is  guilty of  a crime.   He suggested                                                               
that  in  a  small  community, most  people  would  know  whether                                                               
someone has a  DWI (driving while intoxicated)  conviction and is                                                               
not allowed to  drive.  He asked what happens  if a neighbor sees                                                               
a person driving away, for example.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  asked Ms.  Seitz  to  explain what  the  current                                                               
"enabler" situation  is, and  what is being  done in  Section 18,                                                               
which [Amendment 25] would amend.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0934                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JANET  SEITZ, Staff  to  Representative  Norman Rokeberg,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature,  explained  that  it is  already  a  class  A                                                               
misdemeanor  to  knowingly allow  a  person  who is  not  validly                                                               
licensed to drive a motor vehicle.   [Section] 18 keeps that same                                                               
standard of  "knowingly allowing"  and still makes  it a  class A                                                               
misdemeanor.   However,  if  a person  knows  that someone  isn't                                                               
validly licensed because of a  drunk-driving conviction and still                                                               
lets an unlicensed driver drive  a motor vehicle, then that first                                                               
person's license  can be revoked and  there is a minimum  fine of                                                               
$1,000.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  pointed out  that the  current statute,                                                               
as he had  just read it, is actually more  narrowly drawn in that                                                               
the crime of  enabling only applies to people who  own or control                                                               
the vehicle.  In addition, because  the language in Section 18 of                                                               
CSHB 4(TRA)  appears to  simply refer  back to  current statutory                                                               
language, he said he did not see what Section 18 accomplished.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. SEITZ reiterated  that Section 18 adds a [$1,000]  fine and a                                                               
[30-day]  license  revocation  for  a violation  of  the  enabler                                                               
statute.    She also  noted  that  a forthcoming  amendment  will                                                               
address the concerns regarding domestic violence (DV).                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1123                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEAN  J.   GUANELI,  Chief  Assistant  Attorney   General,  Legal                                                               
Services  Section-Juneau, Criminal  Division,  Department of  Law                                                               
(DOL), clarified  that AS 28.35.030(n), as  referenced in Section                                                               
18,  relates to  felony  DWI.   Thus a  person  who violates  the                                                               
enabler statute is  only subject to the penalties  being added by                                                               
Section 18 if  the unlicensed driver who is allowed  to drive the                                                               
enabler's vehicle is unlicensed due to a felony DWI conviction.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES  asked how  it  could  be proven  that  the                                                               
enabler knew [the driver did not  have a valid license because of                                                               
a felony DWI].                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  replied that in  many cases, it would  be difficult;                                                               
the people  most likely to  know a  person has been  convicted of                                                               
felony DWI would be family  members, household members, and close                                                               
friends.  He  surmised that this is what has  prompted the Alaska                                                               
Network on Domestic Violence and  Sexual Assault (ANDVSA) to come                                                               
forward and ask for an exemption for victims of DV.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES noted  that there were more  issues at stake                                                               
than just  the DV  issue, and  she opined  that [via  Section 18]                                                               
they were  reaching out  to make  some really  bad law  by making                                                               
criminals of people  who ought not be criminals in  an attempt to                                                               
keep [DWI offenders off the road].   She suggested they leave the                                                               
current [enabler  statute] as is,  and then perhaps  simply raise                                                               
the class  of violation for  repeat offenses.   She said  she did                                                               
not agree with the concept  of having the additional penalties be                                                               
dependent upon  another person's conviction of  a specific crime.                                                               
She also  pointed out that  in many instances, family  members do                                                               
not  have  any  control  over   a  person's  behavior,  and  thus                                                               
"knowingly allow" becomes hard to prove.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1280                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEYER  said  he   understood  the  intent  behind                                                               
Section 18, which  is that of asking family members  to help keep                                                               
repeat DWI  offenders off the  road.   He said, however,  that he                                                               
understood  Representative James's  point regarding  how hard  it                                                               
will be to prove a  person knowingly allowed an unlicensed person                                                               
to  drive.    He  also   acknowledged  that  in  many  situations                                                               
regarding chronic drinkers, there are DV elements involved.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ,   on  the  point  of   authorizing  or                                                               
knowingly  permitting, asked,  if the  spouse said  "honey, don't                                                               
drive," and the person still went  out and drove, what more would                                                               
the spouse  have to do [under  this provision]?  Does  the spouse                                                               
have  to physically  try  to restrain  the  person from  driving?                                                               
Does he/she  have to call  the police?   He pointed out  that one                                                               
component of  how the crime  of enabling materializes is  that an                                                               
unlicensed driver goes  out and drives, but he  asked whether, by                                                               
simply saying  "don't drive," the  defendant who is  charged with                                                               
enabling  has  satisfied  the requirement  that  he/she  did  not                                                               
authorize/allow the unlicensed  driver to drive.  What  has to be                                                               
done to prevent the individual from driving, he asked.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES pointed  out that  this example  could also                                                               
apply to  a son, daughter, mother,  father, neighbor, girlfriend,                                                               
or boyfriend;  the language in  Section 18 is reaching  towards a                                                               
huge realm of folks.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SEITZ responded  that the  person who  owns or  controls the                                                               
vehicle could take the keys away, for example.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ rebutted that taking  the keys away is a                                                               
physical  act.   He again  asked whether  it would  suffice as  a                                                               
defense if the  defendant said he/she told  the unlicensed driver                                                               
not to drive.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SEITZ  said that  as long  as the  person is  not in  fear of                                                               
physical harm, aside from taking  the keys away, the person could                                                               
also  park  the car  elsewhere.    She  noted that  even  without                                                               
Section 18, which  refers only to allowing a  felony drunk driver                                                               
to drive, enabling  is still a crime, albeit a  misdemeanor.  She                                                               
added  that  she  would  not  want  someone  with  a  felony  DWI                                                               
conviction to drive her vehicle.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  said, "But  what would  you do  to stop                                                               
them?"                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. SEITZ said she would say "no"  and take the keys away, if she                                                               
knew  about it.   She  remarked that  she had  done these  things                                                               
before,  and she  likened  it  to being  a  designated driver  or                                                               
taking the keys away from a friend who is too drunk to drive.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1460                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ asked  whether,  under "this"  statute,                                                               
she would be required to call the police.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SEITZ  said  she  could  not  address  how  attorneys  would                                                               
interpret "knowingly  allowing", but that she,  personally, would                                                               
not have any  problem calling the police if a  drunk driver drove                                                               
off in her vehicle.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL   asked  how  they  could   hold  someone                                                               
accountable for  control of the vehicle.   He also noted  that if                                                               
forthcoming  amendments  authorized   exceptions,  then  everyone                                                               
would want  an exception.   He acknowledged that  current statute                                                               
already [creates  an assumption of] responsibility,  but now, via                                                               
Section 18, "heavy  duty" fines will be imposed on  people who do                                                               
not live  up to  that responsibility.   He  wondered how  a court                                                               
would view that for purposes of  making a judgment because it has                                                               
not  been given  any latitude;  the language  in Section  18 says                                                               
"shall" revoke the license and "shall"  impose the fine.  He also                                                               
noted  that  compared  to  the   penalties  imposed  on  the  DWI                                                               
offender, the  penalties imposed  on an enabler  are significant.                                                               
He  asked  how responsibility  would  be  determined, both  under                                                               
current statute and under Section  18, in cases where the vehicle                                                               
has more than one owner.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SEITZ  responded that  when the vehicle  has a  single owner,                                                               
that owner,  in addition to  being required to have  insurance on                                                               
the vehicle, has  a responsibility to society to  ensure that the                                                               
vehicle  is  operated in  a  safe  manner  regardless of  who  is                                                               
driving it.   She surmised that these  same responsibilities also                                                               
apply to all  owners of a vehicle when the  vehicle has more than                                                               
one owner.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES opined  that if the goal was  to stop people                                                               
from driving drunk  and/or driving without a  license, Section 18                                                               
did   not   necessarily   accomplish  this   goal   because   the                                                               
circumstances  surrounding enabling  are going  to occur  anyway,                                                               
regardless of the punishment; the  person who owns the vehicle is                                                               
just going  to hope and  pray that the unlicensed  driver doesn't                                                               
get  caught.   She  suggested that  a person  who  simply lets  a                                                               
person with a past felony DWI  conviction drive to the store, for                                                               
example,  should  not  necessarily  have the  larger  penalty  as                                                               
compared  to the  penalty  imposed  for DWI.    She offered  that                                                               
probably  everybody has  had  the experience  of  dealing with  a                                                               
family  member or  friend  who  has driven  drunk;  from her  own                                                               
experience  with  her brother-in-law,  she  noted  that her  only                                                               
recourse was to get out of the way or risk personal injury.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1729                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG remarked  that the language in Section  18 came as                                                               
a recommendation  from the DUI  Prevention Task Force.   He asked                                                               
Mr.  Guaneli whether  anyone had  ever been  prosecuted under  an                                                               
"enabling" statute.   He opined that most people  don't even know                                                               
the enabling  statute exists,  and he  suggested that  Section 18                                                               
would  ensure  that people  became  aware  that  there is  a  law                                                               
against enabling.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI  acknowledged  that  the  enabling  statute  is  not                                                               
commonly  used  because usually  when  the  police have  arrested                                                               
someone  for  driving  without  a  license  (DWL),  they  do  not                                                               
investigate  the  circumstances  further;  the crime  of  DWL  is                                                               
sufficient for  an arrest.  He  said it is the  rare circumstance                                                               
when [law  enforcement] has the  knowledge that someone  else let                                                               
the DWL  offender drive,  or requested  it.  He  noted that  as a                                                               
prosecutor, he would  be more inclined to prosecute  a person who                                                               
requested  that a  person without  a license  drive, rather  than                                                               
prosecute the  family member after  the unlicensed  driver simply                                                               
grabbed the  keys to car  and took off.   He said he  would never                                                               
expect anyone  to make affirmative  efforts to stop  someone else                                                               
from driving,  with the  exception of  perhaps imposing  a higher                                                               
standard of  duty on the  parent of a child  who does not  have a                                                               
valid license but who takes the keys to go driving.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES related  the story of a man  who was staying                                                               
in her motel; he would go  barhopping via taxi because he did not                                                               
want to drive  while he was drinking.  One  night, after arriving                                                               
back at  the motel  and after  spending money  on taxi  fares, he                                                               
decided to  drive to the  store because he needed  cigarettes, at                                                               
which  time he  got picked  up  for DWI.   Although  the man  was                                                               
serious about not  driving while he was drinking,  because he was                                                               
intoxicated by  the time he  got back to  the motel, he  had lost                                                               
his sense of judgment and simply  got behind the wheel of his car                                                               
to run a small errand.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER remarked that  he would support Amendment 25                                                               
because it appeared to him that  the crime of enabling is already                                                               
covered by  current statute.   He added that from  his experience                                                               
with  families that  have to  deal with  the problems  created by                                                               
alcoholism, the last  thing the family needs is to  have to go to                                                               
court  to prove  how  they  tried to  stop  someone from  driving                                                               
without a license.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1930                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG   said  he  was  maintaining   his  objection  to                                                               
Amendment 25;  he said  he felt  they were  simply [strengthening                                                               
current]  law via  Section 18,  and he  did not  want to  lose it                                                               
altogether via an unamended Amendment 25.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1960                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives James,  Coghill,                                                               
Meyer,  and  Berkowitz  voted for  Amendment  25.  Representative                                                               
Rokeberg voted against  it.  Therefore, Amendment 25  passed by a                                                               
vote of 4-1.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG, on  the topic  of  the enabler  statute, made  a                                                               
motion to  adopt [Amendment 39A, 22-LS0046\S.29,  Ford, 3/30/01],                                                               
which read:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 11, line 2:                                                                                                           
          Delete "a new subsection"                                                                                             
          Insert "new subsections"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 11, following line 11:                                                                                                
          Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                      
          "(d)  The provisions of (c) of this section do                                                                        
     not apply to a person  who violates (c) of this section                                                                    
     because  another  person  commits an  act  of  domestic                                                                    
     violence.  In this  subsection, "domestic violence" has                                                                    
     the meaning given in AS 18.66.990."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG noted  that  [as written,  Amendment  39A] is  no                                                               
longer  necessary  [due  to  the   deletion  of  Section  18  via                                                               
Amendment 25], but  suggested that they change  [the reference to                                                               
subsection (d) to reflect subsection  (c), and the two references                                                               
to  subsection (c)  to reflect  subsection  (b)].   He said  this                                                               
change to  Amendment 39A  would give  the ANDVSA  assistance with                                                               
existing law regarding the issue of DV.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES,  with  regard  to  the  language  "because                                                               
another person  commits an  act of  domestic violence",  asked if                                                               
[Amendment 39A] was  saying that there first has to  have been an                                                               
altercation before  this exception  to the enabler  statute would                                                               
apply.   She  remarked  that they  should give  a  person who  is                                                               
feeling threatened by DV the same  defense as would be given to a                                                               
person who is already a victim of DV.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. SEITZ,  on that  point, referred  to [Amendment  39B], noting                                                               
that it was language proposed by  the ANDVSA via [the DOL], which                                                               
read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Add a new section to the bill:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          *Sec. _____ AS 28.15.281(b) is amended to read:                                                                       
          (b) A person may not authorize or knowingly                                                                           
     permit a  motor vehicle  owned by  the person  or under                                                                    
     the control  of the person  to be driven in  this state                                                                    
     by  a   person  who  is  not   validly  licensed.  This                                                                
     subsection  does  not apply  to  a  victim of  domestic                                                                
     violence who  authorizes or permits a  motor vehicle to                                                                
     be driven  due to fear  of the perpetrator  of domestic                                                                
     violence. In  this subsection, "domestic  violence" has                                                                
     the meaning given in AS 18.66.990.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2060                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG withdrew Amendment 39A.   Chair Rokeberg then made                                                               
a motion to adopt Amendment 39B.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2063                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LAUREE  HUGONIN, Director,  Alaska Network  on Domestic  Violence                                                               
and Sexual Assault (ANDVSA), explained  that the ANDVSA initially                                                               
had  concern that  victims of  DV would  be charged  for enabling                                                               
under Section  18, which  has since been  deleted.   Upon further                                                               
review of the  current enabling statute - [AS  28.15.281] - under                                                               
[subsection] (b) a victim of DV  could still be charged; for this                                                               
reason   the  ANDVSA   recommends,   via   Amendment  39B,   that                                                               
[subsection] (b) be  amended to exclude a victim of  DV if he/she                                                               
authorizes or permits  a vehicle to be driven due  to fear of the                                                               
perpetrator of DV.   She added that Amendment  39B also specifies                                                               
DV to  have the meaning given  in AS 18.66.990.   She agreed with                                                               
Representative James that often there is  not a direct act of DV;                                                               
for this reason,  "fear" of the perpetrator has  been included in                                                               
Amendment 39B                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL, in  reference to  language in  Amendment                                                               
39B that says "apply to a  victim of domestic violence", asked if                                                               
there would be  difficulty in getting this exception  to apply in                                                               
cases where DV had not yet  occurred; could simply the fear of DV                                                               
be  enough, he  wondered, without  actually having  someone be  a                                                               
victim of  DV under  the DV  statute, or  would somebody  have to                                                               
prove that he/she was a victim of DV.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  noted that  the language  in Amendment  39B would                                                               
constitute a  defense.  He asked  if the question is  whether the                                                               
threat of DV constitutes an act of DV under AS 18.66.990.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI explained that there  is a principle under Alaska law                                                               
called the defense  of necessity that says that any  crime can be                                                               
excused  if the  reason for  committing the  crime is  to prevent                                                               
some  greater harm  or greater  wrong from  occurring.   He noted                                                               
that the  classic example is that  of a person who  breaks into a                                                               
cabin in  the wilderness, and  while this is  normally considered                                                               
the crime  of burglary, if  the reason for  doing so was  to keep                                                               
from freezing to death at night,  then the person is excused.  He                                                               
added  that  the offense  of  enabling  is  also subject  to  the                                                               
defense of  necessity; however, the  defense of necessity  has to                                                               
be proven by the  defendant.  He used the example  of a very sick                                                               
person who  requests that a  person known  to be without  a valid                                                               
license drive  him/her to the doctor/hospital;  in this instance,                                                               
it can be shown that the  person committing the crime of enabling                                                               
had  sufficient reason  because he/she  was trying  to prevent  a                                                               
greater harm from occurring.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI  explained  that Amendment  39B  recognizes  a  very                                                               
narrow class of  persons who have been victims of  DV, and due to                                                               
fear of  further violence, they are  not required to come  in and                                                               
actually prove  it; it is  enough that  there is that  history of                                                               
DV.   But, to stop all  the exceptions from swallowing  the rule,                                                               
if a person has  never been the victim of DV  and uses the excuse                                                               
of  being  afraid  of  DV,  then  that  person  should  have  the                                                               
obligation of  coming forward  and testifying  to that  effect to                                                               
the jury.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUGONIN  noted that Amendment  39B puts the exemption  at the                                                               
level of  the investigation when  the law enforcement  officer is                                                               
looking into  the crime; this is  where the ANDVSA would  like to                                                               
see it, rather  than at the level of the  trial.  Law enforcement                                                               
officers  are   becoming  better   trained  at   recognizing  the                                                               
principal physical aggressor in DV  cases, she said, and for this                                                               
reason, any concerns regarding charging  a victim of DV should be                                                               
alleviated.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2319                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  asked if there  were any objections  to Amendment                                                               
39B.  There being no objections, Amendment 39B was adopted.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2370                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  made  a  motion to  adopt  [Amendment  16A,  22-                                                               
LS0046\S.8, Ford,  3/21/01].  [Amendment  16A is provided  at the                                                               
end of the final section of minutes  for this date for HB 4.]  He                                                               
went on to  say that a substantial portion of  [Amendment 16A] is                                                               
mirroring effects  - when  provisions of  CSHB 4(TRA)  altered AS                                                               
28.35.030 with regard to vehicle  forfeiture, another statute, AS                                                               
28.35.032,  should have  also been  altered.   He  added that  AS                                                               
28.35.032  relates  to  refusal  to  take a  chemical  test  -  a                                                               
breathalyzer - for blood alcohol concentration (BAC) level.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ noted  that previously  there had  been                                                               
superceding amendments.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  confirmed  that  there  were  some  sections  of                                                               
[Amendment  16A]   that  had  already  been   addressed,  and  he                                                               
mentioned  that  there  were  other   sections  that  might  need                                                               
alteration.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-49, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 2456                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  FORD,  Attorney,  Legislative  Legal  Counsel,  Legislative                                                               
Legal  and Research  Services, Legislative  Affairs Agency,  said                                                               
that [Amendment  16A] does several  things.  The  primary changes                                                               
are in the areas of  impoundment of motor vehicles and forfeiture                                                               
of motor vehicles,  and other changes are intended  to conform to                                                               
changes made via adoption of CSHB 4(TRA).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  remarked that [Amendment 16A]  would make changes                                                               
allowing the state's vehicle forfeiture  procedure to mirror much                                                               
of what occurs  in the municipalities of  Anchorage and Fairbanks                                                               
regarding   vehicle  forfeiture   via   a  civil   administrative                                                               
proceeding;  these  changes  lower   the  fiscal  note  by  about                                                               
$300,000.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD  said that the  first portions of [Amendment  16A] would                                                               
add a  new section to  CSHB 4(TRA)  that deals with  what happens                                                               
when a person is before the court  - after arrest - for DWI.  The                                                               
court would  be allowed to  impose some additional  conditions of                                                               
release,  primarily   relating  to   a  vehicle  that   has  been                                                               
impounded.   This is aimed  at ensuring that the  vehicle returns                                                               
to the jurisdiction  of the court so that it  can be forfeited if                                                               
that  proves  necessary.    He   confirmed  that  this  would  be                                                               
accomplished by establishing a return bond.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD  referred to page 4,  lines 3-6 [of Amendment  16A], and                                                               
said this was a fix that  would allow the permanent revocation of                                                               
driver's  license to  take effect;  it eliminates  a conflict  in                                                               
CSHB 4(TRA).   He added,  however, that he believed  this portion                                                               
was already addressed  via the adoption of  a previous amendment.                                                               
He then  referred to  the next  section on  page 4  of [Amendment                                                               
16A] and said  these areas affect what happens to  a person after                                                               
he/she is  arrested and  convicted of  DWI, and  involve removing                                                               
provisions  that  allow  the  court  to  forfeit  a  vehicle  and                                                               
replacing them with  provisions that say the  court shall impound                                                               
and shall forfeit a vehicle if  the conviction is for a second or                                                               
subsequent offense.   He confirmed  that for a first  offense the                                                               
vehicle "shall" be  impounded and "may" be forfeited.   To recap,                                                               
for  all offenses  there are  30-day impoundment  provisions; for                                                               
first-time offenses, forfeiture is  discretionary.  He added that                                                               
there are also  provisions that protect the  rights of co-owners,                                                               
which can  include the  use of a  limited license  and/or limited                                                               
registration,  and  the  rights   of  owners  of  vehicles  whose                                                               
vehicles were used  in the DWI offense.  He  noted that there are                                                               
also provisions for use of  return bonds included in this section                                                               
of [Amendment 16A].                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2245                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD  noted that the  portion of  [Amendment 16A] on  page 5,                                                               
lines  22-28, had  already been  addressed by  adopting Amendment                                                               
12.  He added that some  of the provisions in [Amendment 16A] are                                                               
included because all of the  other amendments stand alone:  there                                                               
are some  duplicate provisions  regarding felony  DWI provisions,                                                               
which take  up a number  of the  pages in [Amendment  16A]; there                                                               
are also duplicate  provisions regarding what the  court would do                                                               
in case of felony DWI.   He noted that the refusal provisions are                                                               
brought  into compliance  per the  instructions he  was given  to                                                               
treat refusal and  DWI in the same  manner.  Thus if  a person is                                                               
convicted of  refusal as opposed  to DWI, the person  suffers the                                                               
same  consequences.   He explained  that  it is  not possible  to                                                               
simply  say in  statute that  the penalties  for refusal  are the                                                               
same as those for DWI because  the two are separate provisions in                                                               
statute.   They are separate  offenses and not  identical; hence,                                                               
per  the drafting  manual,  when one  provision  is changed,  the                                                               
language has to be made consistent in each separate provision.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD referred to page 11  - starting on line 29 of [Amendment                                                               
16A]  - and  said  this  provision requires  the  court to  order                                                               
surrender  of the  registration plates.   Thus,  not only  does a                                                               
person lose  his/her license and  registration, but  the "plates"                                                               
for the vehicle are also taken away.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG noted that  another amendment addresses impounding                                                               
the plates.  He asked  whether there would be any inconsistencies                                                               
between the two amendments, of if  it would be possible to simply                                                               
conform the two amendments later.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD  said he had assumed  that the committee would  give him                                                               
permission  to  make  conforming   changes,  and  he  noted  that                                                               
although  he  has not  had  an  opportunity  to compare  the  two                                                               
amendments, he did not think there would be any conflicts.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES asked what  happens when the registration is                                                               
revoked on a vehicle that has a lien holder.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD responded that no  one's property rights are being taken                                                               
away;  the  lien  holder  will  still have  an  interest  in  the                                                               
vehicle.   He  mentioned  that there  are  provisions that  would                                                               
protect lien holders, even in cases of vehicle forfeiture.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG added that the  lien holder has different forms of                                                               
recourse depending  on what the crime  and accompanying penalties                                                               
are.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1950                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG made a motion to  amend [Amendment 16A] on page 9,                                                               
line  10,  such that  "$2,000"  would  be changed  to  "$10,000".                                                               
There being  no objection, the  amendment to [Amendment  16A] was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD  referred to Section 53  on page 12 of  [Amendment 16A],                                                               
and said this  was the impoundment provision.   He explained that                                                               
a motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft  can be  impounded and                                                               
held for up to two days  - unless the court orders a continuation                                                               
of the  impoundment - if the  impoundment is incident to  a valid                                                               
arrest.  He  added that if the person is  convicted of either DWI                                                               
or refusal,  the court has to  order impoundment for a  period of                                                               
at least 30 days.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  asked whether someone  convicted of,  or arrested                                                               
for, impairment - wherein the BAC  level is less than .08 - could                                                               
also  have his/her  vehicle impounded.   He  said his  concern is                                                               
that  there is  a provision  in this  portion of  [Amendment 16A]                                                               
that requires  that impoundment  costs be  waived or  refunded if                                                               
the person is not convicted under [AS 28.35.030].                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD assured  the committee that DWI includes  driving with a                                                               
BAC  level above  .01 and/or  under the  influence of  controlled                                                               
substances, and  therefore a violation of  the impairment statute                                                               
would  still be  considered a  violation of  [AS 28.35.030].   He                                                               
next pointed out  that other sections of  [Amendment 16A] attempt                                                               
to provide for what happens  when a person's vehicle is impounded                                                               
- such  as how a  person can reclaim  a vehicle, what  happens to                                                               
vehicles that are not reclaimed,  and proper handling of vehicles                                                               
that are impounded.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER  agreed that vehicle forfeiture  for second-                                                               
time offenses  is a  policy call.   He  offered that  the vehicle                                                               
forfeiture  program should  pay for  itself through  sale of  the                                                               
vehicles.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG clarified  that  prior  testimony indicated  many                                                               
forfeited vehicles are kept for  use by law enforcement, although                                                               
he surmised that  there would be a positive impact  on the fiscal                                                               
note.   He mentioned that  there are concerns  regarding property                                                               
rights of  co-owners and lien  holders.  In defense  of mirroring                                                               
the vehicle forfeiture proceeding with  that of the Anchorage and                                                               
Fairbanks municipalities,  he said that the  regime in [Amendment                                                               
16A] has  been proven  to work; in  this way,  vehicle forfeiture                                                               
will occur  as a result of  a civil action instead  of a criminal                                                               
action,  which should  significantly  lower the  fiscal note,  by                                                               
over $300,000.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1650                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  mentioned that she thought  the proceeds of                                                               
vehicle  forfeiture should  be  appropriated  by the  legislature                                                               
before  being distributed;  anytime something  of value  is taken                                                               
in, it should be reflected in the budget process.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG suggested  that  by adopting  [Amendment 16A],  a                                                               
fiscal note could  be developed that would  reflect cost savings.                                                               
He mentioned an administrative fee  of $160 and return bonds from                                                               
$500 to  $2,000, both of  which will help the  vehicle forfeiture                                                               
program be  self-financed as  it was  designed to  be.   He added                                                               
that  many  organizations  across the  state,  including  Mothers                                                               
Against  Drunk   Driving  (MADD),  strongly   support  forfeiture                                                               
provisions.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  remarked again that  there is still  a need                                                               
to  account for  proceeds from  vehicle forfeiture;  she did  not                                                               
want  law  enforcement  to  retain  [or  sell]  vehicles  without                                                               
indicating the [expenses or savings] to the agency.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   ROKEBERG  mentioned   that   in   response  to   previous                                                               
discussion, there  are also provisions  that will make  it easier                                                               
and  less expensive  for law  enforcement agencies  in the  rural                                                               
areas to dispose of forfeited vehicles.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  commented that  a number of  years ago,                                                               
Cordova  had a  big  problem regarding  disposition of  forfeited                                                               
vehicles.  On the point  of mandatory vehicle forfeiture, he said                                                               
he  has concerns;  as  a general  policy  consideration, he  said                                                               
vehicle forfeiture ought to be discretionary.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG commented that a  forthcoming amendment would make                                                               
impoundment for a second offense discretionary.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1506                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  drew attention  to page  1, line  9, of                                                               
[Amendment  16A],  and  said that  this  language  was  mandating                                                               
vehicle forfeiture  for an FTA -  failure to appear.   He said he                                                               
could  think of  many reasons  why the  state might  not want  to                                                               
forfeit  a vehicle,  and  although the  language  is very  clean,                                                               
discretion   is  being   taken  away   with  regard   to  vehicle                                                               
forfeiture.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG responded  that he  did  not think  that was  the                                                               
case, particularly  if discretion  for impoundment on  the second                                                               
offense is placed back in [CSHB 4(TRA)]                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FORD acknowledged  that this  is  a major  question for  the                                                               
committee:   exactly how much  leeway does the committee  want to                                                               
give the court?   As it stands  now, the court has  the option of                                                               
forfeiting  or not  forfeiting.   [Amendment 16A]  restricts that                                                               
discretion considerably and  says, "You will forfeit  on a second                                                               
or  subsequent  offense.    And  you  will  impound  on  a  first                                                               
offense."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ pointed out  that although on some level                                                               
discretion  lies   with  the  court,   it  also  lies   with  the                                                               
prosecutor, who can say, "We  don't want to forfeit this vehicle;                                                               
thanks, but no thanks."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  reminded the committee  that this is  the fashion                                                               
in which  vehicle forfeiture  has been  handled in  Anchorage for                                                               
some time, without any difficulties; it is a proven system.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  argued that in  the context of  a case,                                                               
it gives  the state a  lot of leverage  to be  able to say  it is                                                               
going  to forfeit  a person's  vehicle  if that  person does  not                                                               
"deal."   And although the  therapeutic court has  an "override,"                                                               
it is a  pilot program that is not available  to everybody.  From                                                               
the prosecutor's  perspective, he  added, the more  "tools" there                                                               
are in the "tool bag," the  better it is for rapid disposition of                                                               
cases, and vehicle forfeiture provides a huge handle.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  said that  although  he  did not  disagree  with                                                               
Representative   Berkowitz's   points,   he  was   striving   for                                                               
consistency  with regard  to how  vehicle forfeiture  is done  in                                                               
Anchorage and Fairbanks at the municipal level.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEYER  concurred  that vehicle  forfeiture  is  a                                                               
powerful  tool.    On  the point  of  forfeiting  "clunkers,"  he                                                               
commented that it  balances out when the  municipality forfeits a                                                               
Mercedes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  remarked that according  to his  research coupled                                                               
with what he  has heard at prior meetings, including  what he has                                                               
been  hearing  from  prosecutors,  vehicle  forfeiture  gets  the                                                               
attention of DWI offenders.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1350                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ countered  that for him, this  is one of                                                               
the "rubs" with how government operates:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     What  we  tend  to  do in  the  legislature  is  impose                                                                    
     requirements on the  folks in the field.   We say "this                                                                    
     is  what  you  shall  do,"  and when  we  do  that,  we                                                                    
     withdraw their ability to exercise  discretion.  And at                                                                    
     some  point,  we  need  to trust  the  people  who  are                                                                    
     actually  executing  the  laws   to  employ  their  own                                                                    
     discretion to come  up with the best result.   And when                                                                    
     we  say,  "You  will  forfeit a  vehicle,"  what  we're                                                                    
     telling the folks  in the field is:   "We're not giving                                                                    
     you any discretion."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG responded  by saying there is a  feeling among the                                                               
prosecutors with  whom he has  talked that the  statutory minimum                                                               
[penalty]  established by  the legislature  becomes the  default-                                                               
basis for  the decision by the  court.  Thus if  courts are given                                                               
100 percent discretion, they will not be forfeiting vehicles.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  commented that she  thinks there are  a lot                                                               
of  instances in  existing law  where there  is a  presumption of                                                               
sentence, and many sentences have  been applied that ought not to                                                               
have been applied.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ,  on  the point  of  mandating  vehicle                                                               
forfeiture for  FTA, asked if  any constitutional  problems might                                                               
arise  for imposing  penalties that  are disproportionate  to the                                                               
offense,  such as  forfeiting  both the  vehicle  and the  return                                                               
bond.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FORD acknowledged  that the  state  cannot acquire  property                                                               
through civil  forfeiture when it  is owned by an  innocent third                                                               
party,  and  that the  courts  have  criticized the  practice  of                                                               
impoundment  for  punitive  reasons  rather  than  public  safety                                                               
reasons.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ   pointed  out   that  [Section   4  of                                                               
Amendment 16A] mandates  not only forfeiture of  the return bond,                                                               
but also forfeiture of the vehicle as a punitive measure.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD concurred with that interpretation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1102                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG,  in response  to Representative  Berkowitz, noted                                                               
for  the record  that severability  is implicit  by statute.   He                                                               
asked whether it would be feasible to modify the FTA provision.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD  noted that  the FTA provision  was patterned  after the                                                               
Municipality  of  Anchorage's  provision,  and he  did  not  know                                                               
whether there has been any litigation on this provision to date.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER  remarked that  the municipal  ordinance has                                                               
been in effect since 1995,  and he surmised that litigation would                                                               
have occurred by now, if ever.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD, in response to  questions, said that the provision sets                                                               
conditions of  release; therefore, the  decision by the  court to                                                               
forfeit the interest in the vehicle can be appealed.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BERKOWITZ  noted   that  under   the  provisions                                                               
outlined in  [Amendment 16A], the  forfeiture of the  vehicle for                                                               
FTA  is  part of  a  civil  proceeding,  yet  FTA itself  can  be                                                               
considered  a  criminal offense;  since  one  of the  effects  of                                                               
making vehicle  forfeiture a  civil proceeding  is to  remove the                                                               
public  defender from  the process,  he asked  how someone  would                                                               
move to  get his/her  vehicle back  in a  situation in  which the                                                               
civil proceeding is tied to a criminal proceeding.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD offered that the person  is still entitled to notice and                                                               
hearing   before  the   vehicle  is   actually  forfeited.     He                                                               
acknowledged, however,  that the  language in Amendment  16A does                                                               
not appear to give the person any leeway.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES made  a motion to recess the  hearing on [HB
4]  in order  to  take up  HB  177.   [The hearing  on  HB 4  was                                                               
recessed  until later  in  the meeting,  with  Amendment 16A,  as                                                               
amended once, still pending.]                                                                                                   
HB 179 - OFFENSES RELATING TO UNDERAGE DRINKING                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Contains brief references to SB 105  and HB 4 regarding loss and                                                               
allocation  of an  offender's permanent  fund dividend  (PFD) for                                                               
certain offenses.]                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0129                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG announced  the next order of  business, HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO.  179,  "An  Act  relating   to  underage  drinking  and  drug                                                               
offenses; and  providing for an  effective date."  He  noted that                                                               
he would reopen public testimony.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Because  of its  length, Amendment  1, which  was discussed  and                                                               
adopted during  the meeting, is found  at the end of  the minutes                                                               
for HB 179.  Shorter amendments are included in the main text.]                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  called an  at-ease at  1:39 p.m.   He  called the                                                               
meeting back to order at 1:42 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  asked  Mr.  Guaneli   to  explain  Amendment  1.                                                               
[Amendment 1 is provided with  original punctuation at the end of                                                               
the minutes on HB 179.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0196                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEAN  J.   GUANELI,  Chief  Assistant  Attorney   General,  Legal                                                               
Services  Section-Juneau, Criminal  Division,  Department of  Law                                                               
(DOL),  advised members  that the  administration originally  had                                                               
proposed  an underage-drinking  bill; although  [HB 179]  adopted                                                               
many  of the  administration's  proposals, it  didn't adopt  some                                                               
significant  parts.   Therefore,  Amendment 1  goes  back to  the                                                               
administration's proposal.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI  referred  to  a chart  [in  packets],  noting  that                                                               
originally proposed was a graduated  system in which a first-time                                                               
offender  would be  subject to  certain penalties,  a second-time                                                               
offender  would be  subject to  more, and  so on.   One  goal, at                                                               
least for  the first offense,  was to  try to eliminate  costs by                                                               
eliminating the  right to a jury  trial or to a  public defender.                                                               
Toward that end, proposed in the  first column of the chart under                                                               
first offense,  is simply a  fine [$600], all suspended,  so that                                                               
the amount  at stake doesn't trigger  a jury trial; no  jail time                                                               
is  available,  so that  it  isn't  technically classified  as  a                                                               
"crime";  and no  license revocation  or  community work  service                                                               
(CWS) is  available, which the  courts have held would  trigger a                                                               
right to  a jury  trial and  a right to  counsel, which  drive up                                                               
costs for first-time offenders.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI suggested that most  [of these offenders] merely need                                                               
education  on the  effects of  alcohol,  with the  hope that  the                                                               
person  will  never  re-offend.   Therefore,  all  the  functions                                                               
relating  to  a  criminal  case,   including  a  jury  trial  and                                                               
attorneys, may not be necessary.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0375                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  referred to  the bottom  section of  the chart.   He                                                               
emphasized  the importance  of referral  to the  Juvenile Alcohol                                                               
Safety Action Program (JASAP),  whether for first-time offenders,                                                               
second-time  offenders, or  third  offenders.   He expressed  the                                                               
belief is that all of the  other options - including fines, jail,                                                               
revocation of licenses, or CWS -  won't be nearly as effective as                                                               
having  those options  plus some  form  of screening  as well  as                                                               
education or treatment.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI, still  referring to the chart,  addressed the second                                                               
offense, for  which more is at  stake in terms of  money [$1,000,                                                               
with up  to half suspended].   He pointed out that  although jail                                                               
still isn't  available, license  revocation is,  but only  if the                                                               
person doesn't  complete the treatment  or the mandated  48 hours                                                               
of CWS.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0464                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI  pointed  out  that someone  with  a  third  offense                                                               
probably exhibits  signs of  alcohol dependence.   As  with drunk                                                               
driving,  for each  time a  person is  caught, the  person likely                                                               
commits  the offense  numerous  times.   He  said for  third-time                                                               
offenders under age 18, it  is felt by juvenile justice officials                                                               
that  sending  the  person  to the  juvenile  justice  system  is                                                               
valuable; it could  be formally going to juvenile  court or going                                                               
through  the so-called  informal adjustment  process, in  which a                                                               
probation officer enters into a  probationary agreement [with the                                                               
offender].   This would allow  more supervision and  more program                                                               
opportunities.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  addressed [third-time offenders] ages  18 and older,                                                               
noting that the options are more  limited.  Therefore, it will be                                                               
left up to  a district court judge, who will  have the full range                                                               
of penalties,  including a fine [up  to $1,000, all of  which can                                                               
be suspended, according to the  chart]; jail time, if appropriate                                                               
[up to 90  days, all of which can be  suspended, according to the                                                               
chart]; six  months' license revocation upon  conviction, and six                                                               
more months' revocation if treatment  isn't completed; as well as                                                               
96 hours of CWS.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI said, in a nutshell,  the proposal is for a graduated                                                               
set  of  penalties,  with  the  JASAP  referral,  screening,  and                                                               
treatment, which  the offender must pay  for, at each stage.   He                                                               
emphasized  that the  committee must  decide to  what extent  the                                                               
JASAP will  be used, which  will involve  cost.  He  restated the                                                               
importance  of  the treatment  alternative  in  order to  have  a                                                               
successful program.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI offered  to discuss  the issue  of wiping  the slate                                                               
clean.   He asked that  any questions about  treatment, including                                                               
both  programmatic and  budgetary  aspects, be  addressed to  the                                                               
officials  from  the Department  of  Health  and Social  Services                                                               
(DHSS).                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0684                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARY  MARSHBURN,  Director,  Division of  Motor  Vehicles  (DMV),                                                               
Department of  Administration, testified via teleconference.   In                                                               
answer to a question by  Chair Rokeberg, she specified that there                                                               
were  4,737 violations  by  people under  the age  of  21 in  the                                                               
calendar year 2000.  In  response to a question by Representative                                                               
James, she  said those were  for minor consuming  and possessing,                                                               
but  not for  drug use,  fraudulent  use of  a driver's  license,                                                               
"zero tolerance," or DWI (driving while intoxicated).                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0734                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  requested confirmation  whether someone                                                               
who was  underage and  [charged with] DWI  would also  be charged                                                               
with minor consuming.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI answered,  "In all likelihood, we  would charge both,                                                               
but the most common disposition in  those cases is there's a plea                                                               
to  the  drunk-driving  charge  and a  dismissal  of  the  minor-                                                               
consuming charge."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  suggested that is  because there is  a revocation                                                               
anyway for the [DWI].                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI said  right now  there is  a $300  maximum fine  for                                                               
minor  consuming;  for drunk  driving,  however,  it goes  up  to                                                               
$5,000, potentially, and there is jail time.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0807                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI,  in response to  Chair Rokeberg's mention  of wiping                                                               
the slate  clean, said hundreds  or perhaps thousands  of persons                                                               
under the  age of 21  have prior convictions for  minor consuming                                                               
under current  law.  Because  of the  way the law  is structured,                                                               
and because  of the  way that the  supreme court  has implemented                                                               
the  law, those  persons were  convicted without  the right  to a                                                               
jury trial or  counsel.  In Alaska law, he  reported, a couple of                                                               
cases -  one from  the supreme  court and one  from the  court of                                                               
appeals - say that if there  is a conviction when a person didn't                                                               
have the  right to a  jury trial  or to counsel,  that conviction                                                               
cannot  be  used as  a  basis  for  enhancing a  future  penalty;                                                               
therefore, it cannot be used  as the person's first offense under                                                               
a third-time-offender-type situation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG asked  Mr. Guaneli to provide a  memorandum to the                                                               
committee later, with a case citation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI agreed to do so.   He continued, pointing out that if                                                               
a  new  system  is  created  for the  first,  second,  and  third                                                               
offenses,  none of  those past  convictions can  be relied  upon.                                                               
That  is why  he uses  the phrase  "wipe the  slate clean":   all                                                               
offenders will have to treated  as first-time offenders under the                                                               
new  system.   He emphasized  that having  alcohol screening  and                                                               
treatment will  be even more  important, because starting  now, a                                                               
lot of  so-called first-time offenders  will actually  be second-                                                               
or third-time offenders.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0944                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  said a huge  number of adults  convicted of                                                               
DWI don't  re-offend.  She  inquired about statistics  on whether                                                               
underage DWI offenders offend again.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  suggested it  would be good  to get  statistics from                                                               
the  DMV on  the number  of second-time  minor-consuming offenses                                                               
that occur  each year [Ms. Marshburn  provided statistics later].                                                               
He recalled,  from looking at  statistics, that every  year there                                                               
are  roughly  5,000  total  offenders,  with  about  1,000  being                                                               
second-time offenders and much  fewer being third-time offenders.                                                               
In response  to a suggestion  by Representative James that  it is                                                               
probably  about the  same  rate, he  agreed  that the  connection                                                               
could be made.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1029                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ asked  what  the objective  is with  HB
179.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG stated:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     We're  trying  to  dissuade  juveniles  from  consuming                                                                    
     alcohol.  I take it as  a matter of public policy.  And                                                                    
     it's up to  this committee to figure out  what the best                                                                    
     way to do  that is.  Historically, we had  the "Use it,                                                                    
     Lose  It"  provisions  for revocation  that  simplified                                                                    
     matters and decreased the cost.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  told members he hoped  they had all had  a chance                                                               
to read  the executive  summary of C  & S  Management Associates,                                                               
which addresses some of the problems  in the state.  [Provided in                                                               
packets  was page  83, "VI.  Substance Abuse  Treatment Resources                                                               
for Minors."]   He said the question is how  to make a transition                                                               
from  the  current  unconstitutional Niedermeyer  methodology  of                                                             
"Use it,  Lose It"  to a new  statute without  losing credibility                                                               
with the youth of the state.   He suggested the need, however, to                                                               
make a strong enough statement that  it gets the attention of the                                                               
youth of the state.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1130                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  said "Use  it, Lose  It" can't  be used                                                               
with  a driver's  license, but  perhaps  could be  used with  the                                                               
[permanent fund] dividend (PFD).                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG   said  he   didn't  see  why   not,  if   it  is                                                               
criminalized.   He  noted that  pending  legislation -  SB 105  -                                                               
would have a similar impact.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1170                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN  spoke up to  offer statistics.   She said  for the                                                               
year  2000, there  were 2,700  first-time offenders,  900 second-                                                               
time offenders, and 1,000 "third and up."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES commented  that she  doesn't believe  these                                                               
young people  are thinking as  seriously about it upon  the first                                                               
offense, in comparison to adults.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ suggested the  implication that "Use it,                                                               
Lose It" wasn't having a serious impact, either.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1220                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG referred  to his mention at an  earlier hearing of                                                               
a  130 percent  increase since  implementation of  "Use it,  Lose                                                               
It."  He  suggested testimony would be mixed  about how effective                                                               
it is.   He noted that at  a prior meeting, Mr.  Melton [from the                                                               
Fairbanks Alcohol  Safety Action  Program (FASAP)]  had testified                                                               
that he  believed it was effective,  as far as it  went; however,                                                               
[Mr. Melton] is limited in the tools he uses.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI  responded  that  until three  months  ago,  it  was                                                               
believed that  there was  a system in  which a  person's driver's                                                               
license could be  taken away, and a $300 fine  was the only thing                                                               
available.   However, now  that the  driver's license  aspect has                                                               
been  lost,  all that  minors  face  is  a  $300 fine  for  minor                                                               
consuming.  If  the combination of [revocation of  a] license and                                                               
a  $300 fine  wasn't  particularly effective,  he cautioned,  the                                                               
fine alone  certainly wouldn't be  very effective, which  is what                                                               
would exist  if nothing were done.   On another subject,  he said                                                               
the cost of  giving a jury trial to all  of these offenders would                                                               
be  very high;  he  mentioned  the fiscal  note  from the  Public                                                               
Defender Agency (PDA).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG estimated  that the costs would be  about the same                                                               
if  either trials  were  required  under the  "Use  it, Lose  It"                                                               
scenario or this new program were to be instituted.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI agreed,  saying either everyone could  be provided an                                                               
attorney and then the licenses would  be revoked, or the cost for                                                               
the public defender  alone would roughly equal  the estimate from                                                               
the DHSS  for the  JASAP.   He emphasized the  desire to  craft a                                                               
scheme whereby  the costs for  attorneys -  including prosecutors                                                               
and public  defenders - would  be put instead into  treatment, to                                                               
the extent possible;  he acknowledged that the HB  179 doesn't do                                                               
that completely because it still  provides attorneys for a second                                                               
and third offense.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1316                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL asked whether  the intent is to facilitate                                                               
a way to  get into the JASAP,  for which there is  only one pilot                                                               
program  in Alaska  at this  point,  or to  facilitate a  penalty                                                               
through the court  system.  He said it looks  as if [Amendment 1]                                                               
is  trying  to  facilitate  a  JASAP -  which  will  have  to  be                                                               
facilitated  somewhere  in  the  system,  through  the  DHSS,  he                                                               
surmised - that incorporates a learning process and a penalty.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1377                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG informed members that  Ms. Nobrega had just handed                                                               
him "an  example of the differential."   He said for  HB 179, the                                                               
[fiscal]  note from  the PDA  is  roughly $380,000.   However,  a                                                               
fiscal note  had been requested  for the current status,  if jury                                                               
trials were  to be enforced;  he said  the PDA's fiscal  note for                                                               
that alone is $1.3 million.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1414                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  asked where  the parents  fit in,  and what                                                               
the juvenile status of the offender is.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  pointed  out   that  Mr.  Guaneli  distinguishes                                                               
between offenders  under the age  of 18  and those 18  and older.                                                               
He said the committee needs to  deal with that, because there are                                                               
people between  the age of  majority and  21 years old,  which is                                                               
the statutory  age for drinking in  Alaska.  As for  the parents,                                                               
he said an  amendment will be offered that adopts  Court Rule 11,                                                               
which says  the parents are  responsible for the fines  and fees.                                                               
He suggested that  parents would be looked to for  fines and fees                                                               
for treatment,  through a court  order and/or by statute,  if the                                                               
committee approves.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1462                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  mentioned  a  parent  of  a  17-year-old                                                               
having to  go to  court; he suggested  that authority  could come                                                               
into  question.    He  said  that many  times  there  are  family                                                               
struggles, in a variety of circumstances, that could exist.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ noted  that one  standard condition  of                                                               
adult probation or release is a  "no driving" provision.  Under a                                                               
JASAP, which is  essentially a juvenile probation,  he asked what                                                               
authority could there be for  the probation officer or department                                                               
to impose the "no driving" condition.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT   BUTTCANE,   Legislative  and   Administrative   Liaison,                                                               
Division  of Juvenile  Justice, Department  of Health  and Social                                                               
Services (DHSS), answered that  what Representative Berkowitz had                                                               
mentioned  is provided  for  in the  proposal  in [Amendment  1].                                                               
Third-time offenders  would be subject  to all of  the provisions                                                               
and  conditions of  the delinquency  chapter,  [AS] 47.12;  under                                                               
that, the  department has some  broad authorities to  solicit the                                                               
participation  of the  parent and,  in  some cases,  to have  the                                                               
court order the participation of the parent.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE  continued, explaining that sanctions  might include                                                               
suspension of a driver's license;  he said that can be negotiated                                                               
as part of the delinquency disposition  order - a formal order of                                                               
the court  - or  through an informal  diversion upon  a voluntary                                                               
agreement with the parent and the minor.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTTCANE  said  the  scheme   proposed  is  that  for  those                                                               
juveniles  diverted  through  a community  diversion  action,  in                                                               
order for  [the division] to be  able to enter into  an agreement                                                               
with them  for an  informal diversion, they  would have  to agree                                                               
that the  minor would surrender his  or her right to  drive for a                                                               
period  of six  months, just  as if  he or  she were  adjudicated                                                               
delinquent through the formal delinquency process in court.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1602                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ asked  whether  that  condition of  "no                                                               
driving"  through a  JASAP  could  be part  of  a first  offense,                                                               
without running afoul of the Niedermeyer decision.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI  articulated  the difference  between  a  JASAP  and                                                               
juvenile probation.  He said a  JASAP, as he understands it, is a                                                               
screening  mechanism  for  determining  one's  need  for  alcohol                                                               
treatment and then  is a referral mechanism  to certain treatment                                                               
providers; the  JASAP program  may also,  in some  cases, provide                                                               
some of that treatment.   He said he doesn't know  that it is set                                                               
up to monitor other types  of activities, however, as a probation                                                               
officer  would  be;  it  is  not designed  to  be  a  "substitute                                                               
probation  officer."   It  is  only when  there  is a  third-time                                                               
offender  who has  to go  to juvenile  court and  get a  juvenile                                                               
probation  officer that  this more  formal agreement  - that  the                                                               
person will  lose his or her  license, or that the  person simply                                                               
won't drive - will come into play.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI pointed  out that  it couldn't  be done  on a  first                                                               
offense because the possible loss  of license triggers a right to                                                               
a jury trial  and right to counsel; that is  what the [state] has                                                               
been trying to  avoid for the first offense in  order to keep the                                                               
costs down.   In response to  Representative Berkowitz's question                                                               
regarding whether  that is true  even in a  probationary context,                                                               
Mr. Guaneli said  he believes that if loss of  a valuable license                                                               
is a possible sanction, that triggers  the right to a jury trial;                                                               
he specified that he thinks  the courts would hold that, although                                                               
they may not have specifically  addressed the question of whether                                                               
the loss of license came about as a part of probation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  said   if  it  isn't  as   part  of  a                                                               
probationary   period,   there  are   less-rigorous   protections                                                               
attached;  the  probation  would  tend   to  be  focused  on  the                                                               
individual who had come under  "probation supervision."  He asked                                                               
whether that doesn't address some of the Niedermeyer concerns.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1710                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI  emphasized  the  desire  to  not  be  in  the  same                                                               
situation as two years ago, when  the supreme court struck down a                                                               
scheme  that had  provisions  that might  have  worked, but  that                                                               
weren't  guaranteed to  do  so.   He  stated  his preference  for                                                               
taking a cautious approach.  He  said something needs to be done;                                                               
the  whole statutory  scheme that  the state  had been  operating                                                               
under for five  or six years has been thrown  out the window, and                                                               
it  is uncomfortable  for everyone  in  the justice  system.   He                                                               
restated his  concern about  triggering a right  to a  jury trial                                                               
for first-time offenders.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BERKOWITZ  expressed   concern   that  this   is                                                               
constitutionally   "suspect"  because   the   third  offense   is                                                               
contingent upon  a first  and a second  offense, which  are done,                                                               
under  this scenario,  without  recourse  to a  jury  trial or  a                                                               
public defender.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  offered that a  right to a  jury trial and  right to                                                               
counsel are still triggered for  a second offense because the CWS                                                               
is mandated and because license revocation is possible.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES asked  why they are waiting  until the third                                                               
offense to  refer people  to the  juvenile justice  system (JJS);                                                               
she suggested the  referral to the JJS should come  on the second                                                               
offense, and then perhaps there would not be a third offense.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1829                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LOREN JONES,  CMH/API Replacement  Project Director,  Division of                                                               
Mental Health & Developmental  Disabilities, Department of Health                                                               
& Social Services  (DHSS), on the distinctions  between the JASAP                                                               
and  probation  officers,  said that  within  the  adult  Alcohol                                                               
Safety Action  Program (ASAP), misdemeanant adults  are monitored                                                               
for compliance  with conditions of  probations set by  the court,                                                               
but ASAP  does not have  any powers to set  additional conditions                                                               
of probation.   He said  he envisions  the JASAP working  in much                                                               
the same  fashion:  juveniles  would be monitored  for compliance                                                               
with conditions of  probations set by the court,  but neither [HB
179] nor any other portion of  statute would give JASAP the right                                                               
to set  conditions of probation beyond  what is set by  the judge                                                               
at sentencing.   [The JASAP]  would merely be providing  the link                                                               
between the treatment/education system and the court.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ offered  that although  the Niedermeyer                                                             
decision might have  struck down a portion of a  statute, some of                                                               
those same  penalties are  still available to  the court  if they                                                               
are causally related  to the crime; if a juvenile  comes in front                                                               
of judge  for a minor  consuming case and  there is some  link to                                                               
driving, a  judge could still  say it's minor consuming  and that                                                               
one of  the conditions of probation  for which the fine  is being                                                               
suspended is that the juvenile not drive.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI concurred  that if there was a link  to driving, such                                                               
a  condition could  probably  be  set.   However,  in the  fairly                                                               
typical  situations when  there is  a beer  party and  a juvenile                                                               
gets  arrested but  has  not  been driving,  that  link does  not                                                               
exist.   He surmised  that the  vast majority  of cases  will not                                                               
involve that  link to driving,  and for  those cases that  do, he                                                               
said the judge has broader authority.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  suggested that on an  individual basis,                                                               
the prosecutor  could make the  argument that the  juvenile drove                                                               
to  the party.    After looking  at the  statistics,  he said  he                                                               
questioned whether the "Use It,  Lose It" law was that effective;                                                               
he  reasserted the  suggestion of  seeking  another mechanism  to                                                               
deter juveniles  from drinking such  as possibly taking  away the                                                               
offender's PFD, which would also offset the fiscal note.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2023                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG,  after  commenting   that  the  committee  would                                                               
discuss the issue  of the PFD further at a  later time, said that                                                               
one  of the  problems surrounding  the PFD  is allocation  of the                                                               
funds for treatment and education.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  noted that  with juveniles, there  is a                                                               
greater  likelihood that  the  PFD would  be  available for  this                                                               
purpose because most  juveniles will not have a  backlog of other                                                               
debts owed.   Using  an estimate of  1,500 juvenile  offenders at                                                               
approximately $2,000  per offender, he  arrived at a  rough total                                                               
of $3  million, which  could be  used to offset  the cost  of the                                                               
JASAP as portrayed by the fiscal note for HB 179.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG said that looked like  a good response for a third                                                               
offense but not for a first offense, which is a misdemeanor.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ asked  whether  a trial  and a  defense                                                               
attorney would be required to take a PFD.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTTCANE   said  that   what  Representative   Berkowitz  is                                                               
proposing makes  sense to  an adult offender,  but to  a 14-year-                                                               
old, "they  totally don't get it."   The PFD is  invisible money.                                                               
Most  14- and  15-year-olds  don't actually  get  the PFD;  their                                                               
parents take  that money and  put it  somewhere.  The  kids might                                                               
get $100,  but the  rest of it  is in the  college fund  or being                                                               
used  for other  purposes.   The 14-year-old  is not  thinking in                                                               
terms of cause  and effect so as  to be able to make  a choice in                                                               
his/her  behavior  whether to  have  a  beer  that day  and  then                                                               
possibly lose the PFD next  October.  The cognitive developmental                                                               
processes  of adolescents  are such  that they  just don't  think                                                               
that way;  therefore, imposing the  loss of  a PFD as  a sanction                                                               
will  be lost  on  them.   The driver's  license  is tangible  by                                                               
comparison, and while the statistics  show that "Use it, Lose It"                                                               
had a  minimal impact, it  did have an impact,  particularly when                                                               
it was first implemented - there  was a decrease in the number of                                                               
incidents of minor consuming.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2142                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE,  on the point  of the $300  fine, noted that  it is                                                               
"almost  nothing."   In  fact,  when looking  at  what the  court                                                               
typically  imposed in  terms of  fines, it  was somewhere  in the                                                               
neighborhood  of less  than $100  for  a first  offense, and  for                                                               
third and  subsequent offenses, the  fines were  averaging around                                                               
$180;  these fines  did  not provide  "a hook."    The hook  that                                                               
engaged  kids  was  the  loss  of  their  driver's  license;  the                                                               
requirement  that they  get involved  in alcohol  information and                                                               
education, through  some kind of  screening process, in  order to                                                               
get their licenses back  from DMV, was a piece of  that hook.  He                                                               
noted that "we"  still think that adolescent use of  alcohol is a                                                               
rite  of  passage,  and  "we"  have to  instill  in  this  social                                                               
consciousness the knowledge that there  is now a "zero" tolerance                                                               
for underage drinking.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE  offered that the fine  scheme in HB 179  is part of                                                               
that,  wherein  "we" are  elevating  the  seriousness with  which                                                               
adolescent  use of  alcohol is  viewed.   The $1,000  fine for  a                                                               
second  offense  is  not  "chump  change,"  and  if  parents  are                                                               
required to participate in the  process, then they are influenced                                                               
into  thinking  that maybe  underage  drinking  isn't a  rite  of                                                               
passage that  they want their children  to go through.   He noted                                                               
that the graduated  sanctions incorporated by HB 179  depend on a                                                               
lot of little  pieces; they depend on some  accountability at the                                                               
first drink, which  is where JASAP comes  in - where it  is not a                                                               
full-fledged  probation  sanction,   but  is  an  accountability-                                                               
monitoring  situation  that  will  make sure  the  offenders  are                                                               
getting the  information they need.   A  lot of these  kids don't                                                               
understand how  the body metabolizes  alcohol, but in  an alcohol                                                               
information  school (AIS)  they  begin to  learn; most  offenders                                                               
don't come back for  a second offense.  For the  few that do come                                                               
back a second  time, the sanctions are increased  - the offenders                                                               
have to  do more  CWS and  pay an incredibly  large fine,  all of                                                               
which goes toward  sending the message that "we"  do not tolerate                                                               
underage drinking in this state.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE explained  that a third-time offender  is probably a                                                               
kid  that is  "dependent" or  alcoholic. Thus  a whole  different                                                               
approach needs  to be taken  such as mandatory  treatment, higher                                                               
levels  of  accountability  and  supervision,  and  engaging  the                                                               
family.   The reason the delinquency  system is put into  play on                                                               
the third offense  is that now these are not  simply kids who are                                                               
making stupid choices;  these are kids who  are exhibiting levels                                                               
of  dysfunction   that  need   intrusive  intervention   via  the                                                               
delinquency  system.     He  surmised   that  under   the  scheme                                                               
encompassed in  HB 179, if  an 18-year-old  is hit with  a $1,000                                                               
fine for  a second offense, that  person is going to  be thinking                                                               
that he/she can't afford this [behavior].                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2294                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  asked if there  are statistics  showing how                                                               
many second-time  offenders do  not become  third-time offenders.                                                               
She opined  that if  a juvenile has  committed a  second offense,                                                               
then he/she will probably go on to commit a third offense.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE noted that those  statistics are available, and that                                                               
according  to  his  recollection,  approximately  70  percent  of                                                               
juveniles with  court convictions for minor  consuming of alcohol                                                               
do  not  have  a  second  offense.   He  also  noted  that  these                                                               
statistics are different from the  DMV statistics, which are tied                                                               
to loss of  licenses and which involve cases that  may or may not                                                               
have been in court.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES added that the  DHSS fiscal notes include a replication                                                               
of the DMV  statistics to which Mr. Buttcane alluded.   He noted,                                                               
however, that these charts do  not include data for calendar year                                                               
1999, but do  include data for calendar years 1995  (the start of                                                               
the  "Use It,  Lose It"  law), 1996,  1997, 1998,  and 2000.   He                                                               
detailed that for 2000 there  were approximately 2,200 first-time                                                               
offenders, close  to 940 second-time offenders,  and 1,048 third-                                                               
time  offenders.   With regard  to the  third-time offenders,  he                                                               
confirmed that their  previous offenses could have  occurred in a                                                               
prior year, but the chart  is simply showing that these offenders                                                               
lost their license  for a third time due to  a third offense that                                                               
occurred in 2000.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI added that there  is a long "look-back" provision for                                                               
these  types of  offenses;  a person  could  have gotten  his/her                                                               
first offense at  the age of 14 and then  the subsequent offenses                                                               
could have occurred years later.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2416                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES,  after looking at the  aforementioned chart                                                               
and  acknowledging  that  there  is   probably  not  any  way  to                                                               
determine if these were the  same offenders, said it appears that                                                               
juveniles who  commit a second  offense go  on to commit  a third                                                               
offense.   And with this  in mind,  she again suggested  that the                                                               
referral  to the  JJS come  at  the second  offense, rather  than                                                               
waiting until the third.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE explained that [the DHSS]  has been able to take the                                                               
data  for  court  convictions  of  minor  consuming  alcohol  and                                                               
separate out individual youth without  duplicating the count.  In                                                               
the  total time  period  from  1995 to  2000,  there were  11,000                                                               
individuals who were  18 or older on January 1,  2001.  Of those,                                                               
7,800 had one  minor consuming alcohol offense  within that five-                                                               
year period.   Within that  five-year period, 1,744 of  the 7,800                                                               
had  a second  offense, and  1,427 had  a third  offense.   These                                                               
figures  illustrate  that  there  is  just  a  little  bit  of  a                                                               
reduction between second-time and  third-time offenders; the rate                                                               
of recidivism is quite high within this group of 18- through 20-                                                                
year-olds.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES stated  that  Mr. Buttcane  was making  her                                                               
point.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTTCANE brought  up the  point that  the statistics  show a                                                               
different picture  for those  offenders under 18  years old.   In                                                               
this same  five-year period, 1,749  kids were  17 or under  as of                                                               
January 1, 2001.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-50, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 2499                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE  continued by saying that  amongst this 17-and-under                                                               
age group within  this five-year period, there  were 1,388 first-                                                               
time offenders; of  these offenders, only 200  committed a second                                                               
offense, and only  145 committed a third offense.   He noted that                                                               
when   looking  at   this  delinquency   population,  145   is  a                                                               
significant decrease from 1,388.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES countered that the  older a person gets, the                                                               
more  exposure there  is to  alcohol,  and thus  the greater  the                                                               
likelihood of getting caught.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE  argued, however, that  what is missing here  is the                                                               
requirement to  start addressing an alcohol  dependency, which is                                                               
what the  whole scheme in  HB 179  does:  it  increases treatment                                                               
capacity for  underage drinking,  not just for  17-year-olds, but                                                               
also for the  19- and 20-year-olds, so that,  hopefully, the kids                                                               
start getting  treatment earlier,  which is  the role  that JASAP                                                               
plays.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  noted that her  concern is not  with regard                                                               
to  the JASAP;  it  is,  instead, with  waiting  until the  third                                                               
offense to get serious.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE  remarked that  there is  no need  to resort  to the                                                               
most  expensive processes  any sooner  than is  really necessary,                                                               
given  the  circumstances.   If  second-time  offenders are  sent                                                               
through the  JJS, the need  for more juvenile  probation officers                                                               
and associated costs increases, as  opposed to a JASAP person who                                                               
will  still  be  able  to  sort some  of  the  kids  out  without                                                               
resorting to the  "sledge hammer" to solve their  problems.  This                                                               
is why  the JJS is  being reserved  for the third  offense; these                                                               
kids  really  are demonstrating  dependency  issues  - they  need                                                               
serious intervention -  and the JJS can help  with the associated                                                               
problems such as dysfunctional families and educational issues.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2410                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES,  with  regard to  the  younger  offenders,                                                               
remarked that  she was not convinced  it is so much  a dependency                                                               
problem rather than a behavior problem.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG agreed  with Representative  James, and  said his                                                               
belief that  the majority of  offenders do not have  a dependency                                                               
problem is the primary reason he  is reluctant to have first- and                                                               
second-time  offenders  receive  treatment.    He  did,  however,                                                               
acknowledge that there are some  offenders who do have dependency                                                               
problems, and it is, therefore,  important to identify those kids                                                               
and intervene with treatment.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE cautioned against losing  sight of the fact that out                                                               
of [1,388]  kids, 145 of them  continue to drink in  a manner far                                                               
different from the drinking behavior of an ordinary kid.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JONES, on  the point  of whether  the JASAP  screening would                                                               
"pick up"  on that type of  offender, said that a  requirement of                                                               
screening is to look at an  offender's history - to interview the                                                               
offender  and his/her  parents  - and,  therefore,  that type  of                                                               
determination could be made.   He reminded the committee that the                                                               
JASAP  would  not involve  treatment,  and  that most  first-time                                                               
offenders would  not go  to treatment;  they would  simply attend                                                               
AIS, which  in most  instances will  be sufficient.   Only  a few                                                               
first-time offenders would need further review.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG remarked  that while that may be the  case, he did                                                               
not think  it was  money well  spent in terms  of "what  we would                                                               
pick up  there."   He agreed  that there  should be  an education                                                               
component for first-time  offenders, but he said  he is concerned                                                               
about spending the  money on formal screening  and evaluation for                                                               
the first offense.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2272                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ERNIE  TURNER, Director,  Division  of Alcoholism  & Drug  Abuse,                                                               
Department  of Health  &  Social Services  (DHSS),  said that  he                                                               
really liked  the concept of  graduated sanctions.  The  "Use It,                                                               
Lose It"  law applied to  adolescents in  the urban areas  of the                                                               
state, but most of the kids  in rural Alaska could not have cared                                                               
less whether  they lost  their licenses.   He did  note, however,                                                               
that  when some  of  the  youth moved  from  the  rural areas  to                                                               
Fairbanks to  attend college, they participated  in the Fairbanks                                                               
Alcohol Safety Action  Program (FASAP) minor consuming/possession                                                               
pilot program in order to get their licenses back.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. TURNER relayed that the  number of adolescents who get caught                                                               
is  far fewer  than the  number who  are actually  using [alcohol                                                               
and/or  other substances].   Surveys  show  that there  up to  55                                                               
percent of  adolescents between the ages  of 12 and 15  are using                                                               
alcohol and/or other substances.   So, while the discussion today                                                               
centers  around the  adolescents who  are caught,  it is  not the                                                               
true number, he  added.  National statistics show  that there are                                                               
1.1 million  adolescents between the ages  of 12 and 15  who have                                                               
been  assessed  as  being  dependent   on  alcohol  and/or  other                                                               
substances.   He  said he  is excited  about HB  179 because  the                                                               
sooner "we  get to  them, the easier  it is to  treat them."   He                                                               
noted that  there are  statistics that  show if  a person  can be                                                               
delayed  or prevented  from  drinking  until the  age  of 21,  as                                                               
compared with  someone starting at the  age of 14, there  is a 75                                                               
percent greater  chance that this  person won't  become dependent                                                               
on alcohol.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  said that  he agreed  with Mr.  Turner's remarks,                                                               
but he reiterated his concerns  about the effectiveness and costs                                                               
of instituting a  JASAP for first-time offenders.   He again said                                                               
that he  was in favor  of mandating alcohol education  for first-                                                               
time offenders, however.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. TURNER  reminded the committee  that the cost of  the alcohol                                                               
information  school (AIS)  will be  paid  for by  the client  (or                                                               
client's family), so the only  additional cost will be that which                                                               
is generated by clients who are referred to the JASAP.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG remarked that the  fiscal note for the pilot JASAP                                                               
proposed in HB 179 is $1.5 million.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2079                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEYER remarked  that even  if some  of the  lower                                                               
fines don't have  any impact on the kids, any  funds received via                                                               
those  fines could  go  towards offsetting  the  fiscal note  and                                                               
could  help  fund  the  various programs  being  discussed.    He                                                               
mentioned  that he  disagreed in  some ways  with Chair  Rokeberg                                                               
with  regard to  [the effectiveness  of] treatment  and education                                                               
[for  first-time   offenders].    He  relayed   that  during  his                                                               
adolescence in Nebraska,  the penalties for a  first offense were                                                               
a  joke, and  the  only  thing anybody  learned  was  to be  more                                                               
careful the next  time so as not  to get caught.   He opined that                                                               
had  the eight-hour  AIS  been  a requirement  back  when he  was                                                               
growing up,  it would have  deterred some people  from continuing                                                               
to  drink.   As it  was, the  only thing  that had  any deterrent                                                               
effect was  for an offender  to have  his/her name listed  in the                                                               
paper,  which   has  since  been  ruled   unconstitutional.    He                                                               
suggested that some  sort of fine should be required  for a first                                                               
offense.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG clarified that he  did support education and fines                                                               
for first-time  offenders, but  he again  reiterated that  he had                                                               
concerns about having the JASAP  and mandated treatment for first                                                               
offenses, and even for second offenses, for that matter.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  said that what  she found to be  missing in                                                               
this issue  is parental involvement.   She said that she  did not                                                               
feel that "we"  as a government or "we" as  a society are totally                                                               
responsible for  these kids.   There will never be  enough money,                                                               
programs, or people  working in this field to  solve these youth-                                                               
related alcohol/substance-abuse problems.   She stressed that the                                                               
parents must  become involved  in this issue,  and that  the onus                                                               
should be placed on them to "make this happen."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG commented  that  taking an  offender's PFD  would                                                               
certainly get  the parents involved.   He noted that there  was a                                                               
forthcoming  amendment that  would  take  into consideration  the                                                               
financial resources  of the defendant's parents  when determining                                                               
eligibility for court-appointed counsel.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL added  that language  in Amendment  1 [as                                                               
well as in  HB 179] mandates parental involvement  with regard to                                                               
an informal adjustment.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1931                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES  emphasized that  she  was  not opposed  to                                                               
taking a  person's PFD to  pay an  established debt, but  she was                                                               
not  in favor  of  taking a  person's PFD  simply  as a  punitive                                                               
measure.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TURNER noted  that a  large portion  of clients  between the                                                               
ages  of 18  and  21 use  the  PFD to  pay  for their  outpatient                                                               
treatment; they assign their PFD directly to the agency.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG,  with  regard  to  the  costs  incurred  by  the                                                               
offender, remarked that if there  is a JASAP instituted, there is                                                               
a JASAP  fee; there  is a  fee for the  AIS; there  is a  fee for                                                               
treatment; and  then there are also  fines.  And on  the issue of                                                               
confiscating the  PFD, he  noted there is  still the  question of                                                               
whether this  money would go  directly towards  reimbursing these                                                               
programs or would go directly into the general fund (GF).                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ said since one  of the goals with HB 179                                                               
is  to create  a didactic  affect, if  the legislature  sends the                                                               
message,   "If  you   drink,  inappropriately,   you  lose   your                                                               
dividend," that's a pretty profound  statement.  He surmised that                                                               
the courts will sort out the  financial aspect so that fines will                                                               
be adjusted  to offset costs,  and the  like.  He  suggested that                                                               
the message from  the legislature should be clear:   "We view the                                                               
dividend as  semi-sacred, but we  think the problems  of drinking                                                               
are  so  profound  in  this  state that  we're  willing  to  take                                                               
dividends as a deterrent against drinking."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES  asked  where the  money  from  confiscated                                                               
dividends goes,  adding that she is  not in favor of  having this                                                               
money go to the GF.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES explained that currently,  when people are not eligible                                                               
for a PFD  due to being incarcerated as a  felon [or a third-time                                                               
offender]  during   the  eligibility  year,  the   Department  of                                                               
Corrections (DOC)  notifies the Department of  Revenue (DOR), and                                                               
that money is  placed in a pool;  that money can then  be used by                                                               
the DOL  and the Department  of Public Safety (DPS)  for specific                                                               
programs.    However,  alcohol-and-drug-abuse-treatment  programs                                                               
are not included as programs for which that pool can be used.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES  commented that  there  should  be a  nexus                                                               
between   confiscating  the   PFD  and   paying  for   [treatment                                                               
programs];  the PFD  should not  just simply  be confiscated  and                                                               
placed into the GF.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  mentioned that the  process by which the  pool is                                                               
allocated  would have  to be  amended in  order to  channel those                                                               
funds  specifically into  treatment, and  that runs  the risk  of                                                               
constitutionality problems.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1709                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CANDACE BROWER,  Program Coordinator/Legislative  Liaison, Office                                                               
of  the Commissioner,  Department  of Corrections  (DOC), on  the                                                               
topics  of SB  105 and  confiscation of  an offender's  PFD, said                                                               
that SB  105 proposes  to expand the  pool of  PFD-withholding to                                                               
include   misdemeanant  offenders   who  have   a  prior   felony                                                               
conviction.   According  to her  understanding,  that money  goes                                                               
into a pool, which  goes into the GF, and then at  the end of the                                                               
budgetary  year,  that  money is  allocated  to  "crime  victims'                                                               
compensation,"  the  Council  on  Domestic  Violence  and  Sexual                                                               
Assault (CDVSA), and some DOC programs.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG then  surmised that should the  pool allocation be                                                               
amended via SB  105, and should either  HB 179 or HB  4 include a                                                               
PFD confiscation  provision, the accompanying fiscal  notes would                                                               
then  reflect  incoming   revenue  to  the  GF.     But  he  also                                                               
acknowledged that  the nexus would  then be lost, and  thus there                                                               
would  be no  guarantee  that  those funds  would  go toward  the                                                               
(J)ASAP,  education, and  treatment fees.   For  this reason,  he                                                               
suggested that  it would be  better to leave  decisions regarding                                                               
[fines, fees, and fund sources]  to the discretion of the courts.                                                               
He also suggested  that the legislature should  simply keep these                                                               
issues in mind when setting the levels of the fines.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ said  he understood  the argument  that                                                               
money  and PFDs  are  fungible,  but there  is  a very  different                                                               
message  relayed  by  saying   "we're"  taking  "your"  dividend.                                                               
People think  of fines as  just money, while  taking a PFD  has a                                                               
more profound meaning,  he added, and even with youth  who do not                                                               
normally see their dividends, their  parents will help "bring the                                                               
gavel down upon the kids."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROWER, with regard to the  PFD, offered that what happens in                                                               
rural  Alaska, as  opposed  to urban  Alaska,  is very  different                                                               
because a  lot of families in  Bush Alaska are dependent  on PFDs                                                               
for heat and survival;  there are not a lot of  jobs in the rural                                                               
areas  and money  is  not  flowing heavily.    Another issue  she                                                               
brought up  is that of  grandchildren being raised by  elders who                                                               
may  not  be able  to  control  those  kids.   And  although  she                                                               
acknowledged that  intervention, treatment, and education  can be                                                               
helpful  in those  situations, she  did  not know  that taking  a                                                               
person's dividend away would fix the problem.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BERKOWITZ  argued   that   the  legislature   is                                                               
operating under the  premise that they are deterring  a number of                                                               
people from drinking, and that  they are helping people get their                                                               
lives  in  order.    In  essence,  he  suggested  that  what  the                                                               
legislature  is  saying  is  that   if  they  are  successful  in                                                               
deterring people  from drinking, those  people are making  a down                                                               
payment with  one or two  years' worth  of dividends in  order to                                                               
save  themselves  from  the  costs of  a  lifetime  of  drinking;                                                               
notwithstanding the  differences between urban and  rural Alaska,                                                               
in the  long run  he suggested  that those  people will  come out                                                               
ahead, fiscally.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1433                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ALVIA  "STEVE" DUNNAGAN,  Lieutenant,  Division  of Alaska  State                                                               
Troopers,  Department  of  Public  Safety  (DPS),  testified  via                                                               
teleconference and said that the  DPS has submitted a zero fiscal                                                               
note and a  bill analysis in support of HB  179.  He acknowledged                                                               
that the  "Use It,  Lose It"  law was effective  for a  time, but                                                               
from an  enforcement standpoint,  the effects  began to  wear off                                                               
over time  and kids began  to drink and  have parties again.   He                                                               
posited that HB  179, as currently drafted  with the "stair-step"                                                               
penalties, is  probably the  best way at  this point  to approach                                                               
the  problem [of  underage  drinking].   He  added  that from  an                                                               
enforcement standpoint, HB  179 will not affect the  DPS; the DPS                                                               
hopes that  some measure encompassed  in HB 179 will  take effect                                                               
and deter underage drinking.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT DUNNAGAN  went on  to say that  he thinks  the "stair-                                                               
step" and  the larger  fines will  act as  deterrents, especially                                                               
if,  upon passage,  there is  information put  out to  the public                                                               
detailing  the state's  new position  on minor  consumption.   He                                                               
added  that he  thinks  these  provisions will  have  more of  an                                                               
effect  on  parents  than  "Use  It, Lose  It"  did  because,  he                                                               
surmised,  some  parents  viewed  the  loss  of  an  adolescent's                                                               
driver's license as an answer  to a prayer, particularly since it                                                               
was  the result  of the  state's  mandate rather  than their  own                                                               
mandate.  He  also surmised that the CWS provision  will act as a                                                               
deterrent since "kids  out there have a lot better  things to do,                                                               
according to them, than help out in their communities."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1296                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BLAIR McCUNE,  Deputy Director,  Central Office,  Public Defender                                                               
Agency  (PDA),   Department  of  Administration,   testified  via                                                               
teleconference and  said that although  [the PDA] has  not really                                                               
had  an  opportunity  to  try   treatment  through  the  [F]ASAP,                                                               
previous testimony was encouraging.   He agreed with Mr. Buttcane                                                               
with  regard to  deterrence; having  to  spend a  Saturday at  an                                                               
alcohol education class and having  to go through assessments and                                                               
screening  processes  is something  that  gets  the attention  of                                                               
younger  people  and  also   helps  prevent  early-onset  alcohol                                                               
dependence, which is a tremendous  problem.  He surmised that the                                                               
increase in  youthful offenders is  not so much because  "Use It,                                                               
Lose  It" hasn't  worked, but  because the  concept of  community                                                               
policing   has  become   more  prominent   and  enforcement   has                                                               
increased.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE, on the point  of [mandated] CWS requiring jury trials                                                               
and  public  defenders,  said  the   Booth  case  is  cited,  and                                                             
accounted for,  in [the PDA's]  fiscal note.   He also  said that                                                               
[the PDA] believes in the  "clean slate" concept discussed by Mr.                                                               
Guaneli, and,  therefore, third-time offenders are  not accounted                                                               
for in the fiscal  note for the first period of  time that HB 179                                                               
would  be in  effect, should  it pass.   To  explain [the  PDA's]                                                               
belief in  the clean  slate concept, Mr.  McCune stated  that one                                                               
clear  way to  collaterally  attack a  prior  conviction, in  the                                                               
context of  a current  case, is  if the  prior conviction  was an                                                               
"uncounseled"  conviction  (Gideon  v.  Wainwright)  whereby  the                                                             
offender  did not  have  the  right to  an  attorney  or was  not                                                               
advised  of  that  right.    He added  that  most  of  the  prior                                                               
convictions  [the PDA]  deals with  are criminal  convictions; he                                                               
does know  of any current state  law that says a  prior violation                                                               
can be used  as an element to enhance a  misdemeanor offense.  He                                                               
noted that a  first offense under HB 179 would  be an uncounseled                                                               
case;  although it  is  only a  violation and  as  such does  not                                                               
really carry  a right to counsel,  it is still an  element of the                                                               
misdemeanor  offense.   This adds  a level  of complexity  to the                                                               
situation,  and there  might be  some legal  challenges to  using                                                               
violations as elements to enhance a misdemeanor, he suggested.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE said  the PDA thinks that a program  such as the JASAP                                                               
would  be  effective and  would  work  better than  putting  kids                                                               
through the misdemeanor-type  criminal process.  On  the issue of                                                               
parental  involvement, he  referred to  AS 47.12.030(b)  and said                                                               
that  this is  the provision  currently in  HB 179  regarding the                                                               
third offense.  When a child  under 18 commits an offense such as                                                               
a traffic  offense, a fish and  game offense, or a  Title 4 minor                                                               
in possession  offense - which  are not covered by  the [statutes                                                               
regarding] juvenile offenses - the  statutes say that the minor's                                                               
parent,  guardian, or  legal custodian  shall be  present at  all                                                               
proceedings.   Thus, currently, the parents  are legally required                                                               
to be in court with a child who is charged with minor consuming.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0905                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McCUNE, on  the topic  of  fines, noted  that an  old law  -                                                               
stemming from  a 1972 case  (City of  Fairbanks v. Baker)  - said                                                             
that  if  more than  a  $300  fine is  going  to  be imposed,  it                                                               
triggers the  right to a  jury trial and  court-appointed counsel                                                               
for  those  who cannot  afford  their  own  counsel.   [The  PDA]                                                               
believes that  because of inflation  and so on, the  courts would                                                               
not object  if higher types  of fines - in  the range of  $600 to                                                               
$1,000  -  were  imposed.    [The PDA]  also  believes  that  the                                                               
approach to take  is to make the JASAP mandatory,  to couple that                                                               
with ensuring  that the courts have  the ability to put  fines on                                                               
these violations,  and to  keep these  offenses at  the violation                                                               
level.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE, in response to  questions, said that if the provision                                                               
mandating CWS  for a first  offense is  removed from HB  179, the                                                               
PDA's fiscal note would be reduced,  although he was not yet sure                                                               
by how much.  He mentioned  that he had been very conservative in                                                               
calculating  the PDA's  current fiscal  note:   he had  estimated                                                               
that [only  30 percent] of  the total number of  projected first-                                                               
time offenders  would request the  PDA's services in  response to                                                               
the mandated CWS.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  alluded to  perhaps  removing  CWS for  a  first                                                               
offense in an attempt to lower the fiscal note.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI,  on  the  topic  of  using  violations  to  enhance                                                               
misdemeanors,  said  that the  idea  of  wiping the  slate  clean                                                               
applies  to offenses  that were  committed  before the  effective                                                               
date of HB 179, but, he added,  there is still the problem of how                                                               
to  stair-step from  first  offense to  second  offense to  third                                                               
offense.  He  explained that [the DOL] has  determined that there                                                               
is  a way  to overcome  this  problem resulting  from wiping  the                                                               
slate clean, and he used the  example of a crime called violating                                                               
a  domestic violence  restraining order.    When a  person has  a                                                               
domestic violence  restraining order  issued against him  or her,                                                               
that person  is given the  status of domestic  violence offender,                                                               
even  if  he/she  is  not  convicted  of  any  crime,  since  the                                                               
restraining order was probably entered based on a preponderance-                                                                
of-evidence  standard  or  might  have  even  been  an  ex  parte                                                               
[proceeding].   Hence, when  the offender  violates the  terms of                                                               
that order, he/she then becomes  guilty of the crime of violating                                                               
a domestic violence restraining order.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0524                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI opined that if  people who are convicted of violating                                                               
provisions of  HB 179 are given  a certain status, they  can then                                                               
be  considered  status offenders  for  subsequent  offenses.   He                                                               
envisioned  it working  thus:    When a  person  commits a  first                                                               
offense and is then put on  probation, and if a second offense is                                                               
committed while on  probation for the first, that  person is then                                                               
placed in the  second-time offender category.  In  this way, [the                                                               
DOL] believes that even if the  first offense did not come with a                                                               
right  to a  jury  trial or  right  to counsel,  as  long as  the                                                               
offender is  on probation for that  offense - and has  the status                                                               
of  probationer  -  then  any  further  offense  will  place  the                                                               
offender in the higher offense category.   He suggested this is a                                                               
viable way to get around current Alaska case law.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  recommended further that  a way to instill  the idea                                                               
that offenders  may not drink  until they  become 21 is  to place                                                               
offenders on  open-court, unsupervised, informal  probation until                                                               
they are  21.   Then, when  the offender reaches  the age  of 21,                                                               
he/she is off  probation.  However, if the  offender drinks again                                                               
before  getting  off probation,  then  he/she  is committing  the                                                               
crime of minor consuming while  on probation for a prior offense,                                                               
and  hence is  treated as  a second-time  offender as  previously                                                               
outlined.   This  method,  he suggested,  has  the advantages  of                                                               
allowing "stair-stepping"; it  tells the minor that  he/she is in                                                               
this status until the age of 21;  and it allows the $600 fine for                                                               
a first offense  to be suspended.  [The DOL]  recommends the $600                                                               
fine be suspended  as a way to encourage the  offender to pay for                                                               
the JASAP or  education program, and also to  hold something over                                                               
the  offender's head  until  he/she  reaches the  age  of 21;  if                                                               
another offense is  committed before then, the $600  will have to                                                               
be  paid, in  addition to  any fines  imposed for  the subsequent                                                               
offense.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  opined that  perhaps [the DOL]  had not                                                               
gone far enough with this idea.   He recommended that rather than                                                               
having  the first  offense be  a violation  - using  the DV-order                                                               
analogy -  [the offender] could be  subject to a court  order for                                                               
the first offense.  In this  way, any subsequent offense would be                                                               
considered  the first  offense but  it  would be  the offense  of                                                               
violating a  "no drinking" (ND) order.   If the analogy  with the                                                               
DV-order  is  an  appropriate  analogy,  he  continued,  then  an                                                               
underage  individual caught  drinking could  be brought  before a                                                               
judge who  would issue, in  essence, a  ND order that  would also                                                               
include things like  a JASAP assessment and  compliance with that                                                               
assessment.   Failure  to  comply with  the  JASAP assessment  or                                                               
failure  to not  drink would  then  subject the  juvenile to  the                                                               
criminal  penalties  associated  with  what  is  currently  being                                                               
termed the second  offense.  He surmised that in  this way, if it                                                               
is true  that nearly  70 percent of  first-time offenders  do not                                                               
re-offend after  the first court  contact, then the need  for the                                                               
first proceeding to  be criminal can be eliminated,  and it would                                                               
still allow  what is now  considered the second offense,  "to fit                                                               
in."                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0155                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI, in  response to this suggestion, said  it would work                                                               
with  the  exception of  imposing  a  fine; thus  the  additional                                                               
incentive of  the fine, as  proposed via Amendment 1,  drops out.                                                               
He opined that  it is important to provide some  form of monetary                                                               
incentive to  minors who are going  to be told that  they have to                                                               
pay  for their  alcohol screening  and education.   For  example,                                                               
"You either pay $100  to go to this class or you  pay $600 to the                                                               
judge," he said.  Even  15-year-olds can understand the economics                                                               
of this choice, he  surmised, and thus will opt for  the AIS.  He                                                               
expressed reluctance  to lose  that incentive  via Representative                                                               
Berkowitz's suggestion.  He then  reminded the committee that the                                                               
current  fine for  a first  offense is  up to  $300, but  current                                                               
practice seems to be to impose a fine of $50 or $75.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG called this current  practice a "hand slap," which                                                               
is not catching "their" attention.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ suggested  that  any additional  moneys                                                               
could be made up by assessing court costs.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI commented  that he  would have  to think  further on                                                               
that aspect of the suggestion.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-51, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  said  he   did  not  think  [that  his                                                               
suggestion] would  trespass on the same  constitutional ground as                                                               
"stair-stepping," which  he sees as being  extremely problematic;                                                               
if there is a second offense,  then the juvenile would be subject                                                               
to a  violation of  a court  order, as  well as  whatever happens                                                               
with the  second offense.   And  with that  violation of  a court                                                               
order,  some other  penalties  do  attach in  the  same way  that                                                               
penalties attach for violations of a DV order.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG, in  summary, noted that Amendment 1  was what the                                                               
administration  had originally  recommended as  HB 179,  but this                                                               
was  changed to  reflect  an increase  in fines  and  CWS, and  a                                                               
lowering  of  some  of  the  treatment  elements.    Since  then,                                                               
information  was brought  forward indicating  that mandatory  CWS                                                               
would  still trigger  a  requirement  for a  jury  trial and  for                                                               
counsel.  He  added, however, that if the CWS  is simply given as                                                               
an option  by the judge,  a jury trial  and counsel would  not be                                                               
required even  if CWS is  what the offender  opted for.   He also                                                               
noted  that  Mr.  Wooliver  [of  the  Alaska  Court  System]  had                                                               
estimated that  1 percent of  misdemeanant offenders would  go to                                                               
trial, and that another study had an estimate of 3.7 percent.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE  clarified that [the PDA]  has to do more  work on its                                                               
cases regardless of whether the cases  go to trial; [the PDA] has                                                               
to meet  with the defendant  and discuss the case,  and generally                                                               
also  has to  meet  with family  members  who are  understandably                                                               
upset.   Therefore,  unlike other  state agencies  and the  court                                                               
system, [the PDA] does not  make fiscal calculations based on the                                                               
number  of trials;  instead,  it bases  its  calculations on  the                                                               
number of cases.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  suggested that the committee  develop a committee                                                               
substitute - via the adoption today  of Amendment 1 and any other                                                               
amendments  currently  available  to  the committee  -  with  the                                                               
intention of  bringing it back  before the committee  for further                                                               
review and possibly further amendments.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0425                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  made  a  motion to  adopt  Amendment  1.                                                               
[Amendment 1 is provided with  original punctuation at the end of                                                               
the minutes on  HB 179.]  There being no  objections, Amendment 1                                                               
was adopted.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0445                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  made a  motion to  adopt Conceptual  Amendment 2,                                                               
which  "removes  the  screening  and  treatment  from  the  first                                                               
offense, but leaves the education as a mandate."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0475                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ objected.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0485                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ELMER LINDSTROM,  Special Assistant, Office of  the Commissioner,                                                               
Department of  Health and Social Services  (DHSS), suggested that                                                               
there is still a misunderstanding on  this point.  He pointed out                                                               
that [the  DHSS] has  a series  of three  fiscal notes,  with the                                                               
largest one  reflecting the  treatment element.   He  assured the                                                               
committee  that  not one  penny  of  those treatment  dollars  is                                                               
associated with the first-time  offender; the first-time offender                                                               
will receive nothing but a referral to an AIS.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG warned  that this  is not  a sufficient  argument                                                               
against Conceptual Amendment 2.   He clarified that his intention                                                               
is to  provide for  mandatory education  while deleting  the ASAP                                                               
provision for first-time offenders.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  commented that  for most  offenders who                                                               
get caught up in the system,  once is enough; they get the point.                                                               
He argued that the assessment  provision is critical in trying to                                                               
"put the net  out to see who we're catching."   He suggested that                                                               
about  10 percent  of offenders  - even  the younger  juveniles -                                                               
have  some real  [alcohol-related] problems;  if those  offenders                                                               
can be  caught early,  the state  will be  saving costs  down the                                                               
road.   He  also suggested  letting the  House Finance  Committee                                                               
worry  about "the  numbers," while  the House  Judiciary Standing                                                               
Committee focuses on creating the right policy.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG commented that he  thinks the AIS is essential for                                                               
first-time  offenders because  this, coupled  with the  fines, is                                                               
what will  get the  kid's attention.   He expressed  the concern,                                                               
however, that people who go through  the ASAP will be assessed as                                                               
needing treatment even after "they have one Budweiser."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDSTROM explained  that for the person  just described, the                                                               
ASAP  will  only be  determining  whether  the  AIS is  the  most                                                               
appropriate course  of action, and  then reporting back  to court                                                               
whether this step was taken by the offender.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  stated, "We  don't need  that bureaucrat  in that                                                               
transaction."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LINDSTROM reminded  the committee  that  if the  clean-slate                                                               
concept is instituted, then, for  a period of time, a significant                                                               
number of people  coming in as first-time  offenders might really                                                               
be second-,  third-, fifth-,  tenth-, or  twelfth-time offenders;                                                               
as such,  through a  formal screening process,  they may  well be                                                               
assessed as  needing some form  of treatment.  He  suggested that                                                               
is  a significant  hole in  the first-time-offender  scheme.   He                                                               
also suggested that there is  still a misperception regarding the                                                               
role of the JASAP.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0732                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEYER pointed  out  that according  to the  chart                                                               
detailing the  administration's proposal, offenders will  have to                                                               
pay for  screening and any  education or treatment.   He surmised                                                               
that if this is the case, there is no additional cost.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG remarked that for  those who cannot afford it, the                                                               
costs of screening  and education/treatment will be  picked up by                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER suggested  that if a fine  is reinstated for                                                               
a first  offense, in the  long run "it'll be  a wash."   He added                                                               
that he did not think a $300 fine would require a jury trial.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTCANE,  as an  argument in favor  of screening  for first-                                                               
time offenders, posed  a scenario in which  1,300 adolescents are                                                               
asked, "Do  you black  out when  you drink?"   While all  but 145                                                               
will say "No," those 145 are  more likely to respond, "Well, yes,                                                               
doesn't everyone?"   Hence, during screening,  specific groups of                                                               
kids will be  found that have the disease [of  alcoholism] - they                                                               
drink differently  and they respond  differently to  the chemical                                                               
substance alcohol, even  with the first drink.   Accordingly, the                                                               
appropriate  assessment can  be performed  at an  early stage  so                                                               
that perhaps  the second offense  can be avoided altogether.   He                                                               
opined that great savings occur  "down the road" by helping these                                                               
kids    who    have    this   "allergy"    to    alcohol,    this                                                               
biological/physiological  difference, get  into treatment  at the                                                               
first offense.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  suggested that  the fee for  the JASAP  should be                                                               
raised to a minimum of $150.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES noted that this  increase could be done via regulation.                                                               
He  estimated that  for  those  people who  show  up in  publicly                                                               
funded  programs, the  collection rate  for the  ASAP fees  would                                                               
probably remain at approximately 40-45 percent.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ, with regard  to the question of whether                                                               
to institute  a minimum fine  for a  first offense, said  that he                                                               
would  like to  explore other  alternatives because  he considers                                                               
the   "stair-step"   to   be  incredibly   problematic   from   a                                                               
constitutional  perspective.   He again  suggested instituting  a                                                               
system  using a  "no  drinking"  order, similar  to  a DV  order,                                                               
whereby all  the penalties  would attach  upon violation  of that                                                               
order.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG,  on additional  points  to  consider, asked  the                                                               
committee to decide whether to institute a JASAP pilot program.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  also   suggested  that  more  research                                                               
should  be done  with  regard  to the  consequences  of taking  a                                                               
person's PFD.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  noted that  he would  consider the  suggestion of                                                               
taking a person's  PFD at the third offense if  the amount didn't                                                               
exceed the  class-A-misdemeanor parameters.  He  recommended that                                                               
Representative Berkowitz's research should  include a look at how                                                               
to "get past the pooling effect of the GF."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ,  on  the  point of  whether  to  adopt                                                               
Conceptual  Amendment 2,  which  would remove  the screening  and                                                               
treatment  for  a  first offense  but  still  mandate  education,                                                               
maintained his objection.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1275                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was  taken.  Representatives Coghill, James, and                                                               
Rokeberg  voted  for  Conceptual Amendment  2.    Representatives                                                               
Meyer  and Berkowitz  voted against  it.   Therefore,  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 2 passed by a vote of 3-2.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1287                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  made a  motion to  adopt Conceptual  Amendment 3,                                                               
which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Add a new subsection to AS 04.16.050 stating:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      When considering the financial resources of a minor                                                                       
     for purposes of determining the eligibility for court-                                                                     
     appointed  counsel,   the  court  shall   consider  the                                                                    
     resources  of both  the defendant  and the  defendant's                                                                    
     parents,  unless the  court finds  good cause  to treat                                                                    
     their resources as being unavailable to the defendant.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  added that  this concept is  already part  of the                                                               
district court rules.  He  asked whether there were objections to                                                               
Conceptual  Amendment 3.   There  being no  objection, Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 3 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[HB 179 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                           AMENDMENTS                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The  following amendment  to  HB 179  was  discussed and  adopted                                                               
during  the hearing.   [Shorter  amendments are  provided in  the                                                               
main text only.]                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Amendment 1 (adopted) [original punctuation provided]:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Delete Section 1 and replace with:                                                                                       
     *Section 1.  AS 04.16.050(b) is amended to read:                                                                         
          (b) A person who violates (a) of this section and                                                                 
     who  has not  been  previously convicted  is guilty  of                                                                
     minor  consuming   or  in  possession  or   control  [A                                                                
     VIOLATION].   Upon  conviction in  the district  court,                                                                    
     the court shall  [MAY] impose a fine of  $600 [NOT LESS                                                            
     THAN $100].   The court  shall suspend the  full amount                                                                
     of the  fine, and place  the person on  probation under                                                                
     (e) of this section.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
     Delete Section 2 and replace with:                                                                                       
     *Sec.  2.    AS  04.16.050 is  amended  by  adding  new                                                                  
     subsections to read:                                                                                                       
          (c) A person is guilty of repeat minor consuming                                                                      
     or  in  possession  or  control if  the  person  is  on                                                                    
     probation  under  (b)  of  this  section  or  has  been                                                                    
     previously convicted,  and the  person violates  (a) of                                                                    
     this section.  Upon conviction  in the  district court,                                                                    
     the court shall impose a fine  of $1000 and at least 48                                                                    
     hours  of  community  work  service.  The  court  shall                                                                    
     suspend a  portion of  the fine up  to $500,  and place                                                                    
     the person on probation under (e) of this section.                                                                       
          (d) A person is guilty of habitual minor                                                                              
     consuming or in possession or  control if the person is                                                                    
     on  probation  under  (c)  of   this  section  or  this                                                                    
     subsection,  or has  been  twice previously  convicted,                                                                    
     and the  person violates (a) of  this section. Habitual                                                                    
     minor consuming or in possession  or control is a class                                                                    
     B misdemeanor.   Upon conviction, the  court may impose                                                                    
     an  appropriate period  of  imprisonment  and fine  and                                                                    
     place  the  person  on  probation  under  (e)  of  this                                                                    
     section, and shall                                                                                                         
               (1) impose at least 96 hours of community                                                                        
     work service;                                                                                                              
               (2) revoke the person's privilege to drive                                                                       
     for six  months, and  by the end  of the  next business                                                                    
     day shall notify the division  of motor vehicles of the                                                                    
     revocation; and                                                                                                            
               (3) take possession of any driver's license                                                                      
     or permit.                                                                                                                 
          (e) A person sentenced under (b), (c) or (d) of                                                                       
     this  section  shall be  placed  on  probation for  one                                                                    
     year,  or  until  the person  turns  21,  whichever  is                                                                    
     later.  The conditions of probation are:                                                                                 
               (1) that the person pay for and enroll in a                                                                      
     juvenile alcohol safety action program;                                                                                    
               (2) that the person pay for and successfully                                                                     
     complete any education or treatment recommended;                                                                           
               (3) that the person not consume inhalants,                                                                       
     or   possess  or   consume  controlled   substances  or                                                                    
     alcoholic   beverages,  except   as   provided  in   AS                                                                    
     04.16.051(b);                                                                                                              
               (4) that the person timely complete any                                                                          
     community work  service ordered, as provided  in (f) of                                                                    
     this section; and                                                                                                          
               (5) any other condition the court considers                                                                      
     appropriate.                                                                                                               
          (f) Community work service ordered under this                                                                         
     section must be performed within  120 days of the entry                                                                    
     of judgment  for a  conviction.   The court  may expand                                                                    
     the time  period for up  to 30  days upon a  showing of                                                                    
     good cause.   The  person shall submit  verification of                                                                    
     completion of  community work service  to the  clerk of                                                                    
     court  on  a  form  provided  by the  court.    If  the                                                                    
     verification  is not  provided within  the time  period                                                                    
     required by  this subsection, within 30  days the court                                                                    
     shall  schedule  further  proceedings in  the  case  to                                                                    
     determine   whether  a   violation  of   probation  has                                                                    
     occurred.                                                                                                                  
          (g) The treatment recommended by a juvenile                                                                           
     alcohol safety action program under  (b), (c) or (d) of                                                                    
     this  section   may  include  a  period   of  inpatient                                                                    
     treatment if the judgment  specifies the maximum period                                                                    
     of inpatient treatment  authorized.   A  person who has                                                                    
     been  recommended for  inpatient treatment  may make  a                                                                    
     written request  to the sentencing court  for review of                                                                    
     the referral.   The  request for  review shall  be made                                                                    
     within  seven days  of  the  recommendation, and  shall                                                                    
     specifically  set  out  the   grounds  upon  which  the                                                                    
     request for  review is  based.  The  court may  order a                                                                    
     hearing on the request for review.                                                                                         
          (h)  The juvenile alcohol safety action program                                                                       
     to which a person is  referred under this section shall                                                                    
     inform  the  court  or  a  minor's  juvenile  probation                                                                    
     officer if the person fails  to submit to evaluation or                                                                    
     fails  to   successfully  complete  any   education  or                                                                    
     treatment recommended.    If  the court finds  that the                                                                    
     person has failed to perform  community work service as                                                                    
     ordered,  or  has failed  to  submit  to evaluation  or                                                                    
     successfully  complete   the  education   or  treatment                                                                    
     recommended, the court shall  impose the suspended fine                                                                    
     and may  impose any period of  suspended incarceration.                                                                    
     If the  person was convicted of  repeat minor consuming                                                                    
     or in possession  under (c) of this  section, the court                                                                    
     shall also  revoke the person's privilege  to drive for                                                                    
     six months,  and shall take possession  of any driver's                                                                    
     license  or  permit. If  the  person  was convicted  of                                                                    
     habitual minor consuming or in  possession under (d) of                                                                    
     this section,  the sentencing  court or  juvenile court                                                                    
     shall  revoke the  person's privilege  to drive  for an                                                                    
     additional six  months beyond the revocation  under (d)                                                                    
     of this  section.   A court  revoking the  privilege to                                                                    
     drive under  this subsection shall notify  the division                                                                    
     of motor vehicles.                                                                                                         
          (i) In this section,                                                                                                  
               (1)    "juvenile   alcohol    safety   action                                                                    
     program," means                                                                                                            
                    (A) a juvenile alcohol safety action                                                                        
     program developed  and implemented  or approved  by the                                                                    
     Department  of  Health  and Social  Services  under  AS                                                                    
     47.37;                                                                                                                     
                    (B) any other alcohol education or                                                                          
     treatment program approved by  the Department of Health                                                                    
     and  Social  Services  under AS  47.37,  if  a  program                                                                    
     described  in AS  04.16.050(g)(1) is  not available  in                                                                    
     the community in which the person resides; or                                                                              
                    (C) a program or counseling approved by                                                                     
     the court,  if a program  or treatment described  in AS                                                                    
     04.16.050(g)(1)(A)  or  (B)  is not  available  in  the                                                                    
     community where the person resides;                                                                                        
               (2)    "previously    convicted"   means    a                                                                    
     conviction  or an  adjudication as  a delinquent  for a                                                                    
     violation of  AS 28.35.030, 28.35.032, AS  28.35.280 --                                                                    
     28.35.290, AS 11.71,  or a law or  ordinance in another                                                                    
     jurisdiction with substantially similar elements;                                                                          
               (3) "privilege to drive" means a driver's                                                                        
     license  license  [sic]  or  permit,  or  privilege  to                                                                    
     obtain a driver's license or permit.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
     Delete Section 4 and replace with:                                                                                       
        *  Sec. 4.   AS  28.15 is  amended by  adding a  new                                                                  
     section to read:                                                                                                           
          Sec. 28.15.176.  Administrative revocation for                                                                      
     minors who consume or possess alcohol or drugs.   (a)                                                                    
     The department  shall revoke the privilege  to drive of                                                                    
     a minor for                                                                                                                
               (1) six months, when notified of an informal                                                                     
     adjustment under  AS 47.12.060(b)(4), and  shall revoke                                                                    
     the minor's  privilege to drive  for an  additional six                                                                    
     months  when  notified  of an  unsuccessful  adjustment                                                                    
     under that statute;                                                                                                        
               (2)the   time   period    specified   in   AS                                                                    
     28.15.185(b), when  notified of an  informal adjustment                                                                    
     under AS 47.12.060(b)(5).                                                                                                  
          (b) The department may not issue a new license or                                                                     
     reissue a license to a  person whose privilege to drive                                                                    
     has been  revoked under AS  04.16.050, AS  28.15.183 or                                                                    
     AS  28.15.185  unless  the person  has  enrolled  in  a                                                                    
     juvenile    alcohol   safety    action   program    and                                                                    
     successfully  completed  any   education  or  treatment                                                                    
     recommended.                                                                                                               
          (c)  A revocation under AS 04.16.050 is                                                                               
     consecutive  to  a  revocation  imposed  under  another                                                                    
     provision of  law, but is concurrent  with a revocation                                                                    
     under  that  statute  based   on  a  prior  conviction,                                                                    
     adjudication  of  delinquency  or  informal  adjustment                                                                    
     under AS 47.12.060.                                                                                                        
          (d)  Notwithstanding the provisions of AS                                                                             
     28.20.240  and   28.20.250,  the  department   may  not                                                                    
     require  proof   of  financial   responsibility  before                                                                    
     restoring  a person's  privilege  to  drive under  this                                                                    
     section.                                                                                                                   
          (e) In this section,                                                                                                  
               (1)    "juvenile   alcohol    safety   action                                                                    
     program," has the meaning given in AS 04.16.050;                                                                           
               (2) "privilege to drive" has the meaning                                                                         
     given in AS 04.16.050;                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
     Delete Section 5 and replace with:                                                                                       
     *Sec.  5.   AS 28.15.181  is  amended by  adding a  new                                                                  
     subsection to read:                                                                                                        
          (i) A court convicting a person under AS                                                                              
     04.16.050(c)   or  (d)   shall   revoke  the   person's                                                                    
     privilege  to drive  as provided  in  AS 04.16.050.  As                                                                    
     used in  this subsection, "privilege to  drive" has the                                                                    
     meaning given in AS 04.16.050.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Add a new Section:                                                                                                       
     *Sec. ___.  AS 28.15.183(g) is amended to read:                                                                          
          (g) Except as provided under (h) of this section,                                                                     
     the department may  not issue a new  license or reissue                                                                    
     a license  to a person whose  driver's license, permit,                                                                    
     or  privilege  to drive  has  been  revoked under  this                                                                    
     section unless  the person has  enrolled in  a juvenile                                                                
     alcohol  safety  action  program,   as  defined  in  AS                                                                
     04.16.050, and successfully  completed any education or                                                                
     treatment  recommended  [IS  ENROLLED   IN  AND  IS  IN                                                                
     COMPLIANCE WITH, OR HAS SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED,                                                                            
               (1)     AN     ALCOHOLISM    EDUCATION     OR                                                                    
     REHABILITATION  TREATMENT  PROGRAM  APPROVED  UNDER  AS                                                                    
     47.37, IF  THE REVOCATION  RESULTED FROM  POSSESSION OR                                                                    
     CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL IN VIOLATION  OF AS 04.16.050 OR                                                                    
     A  MUNICIPAL   ORDINANCE  WITH   SUBSTANTIALLY  SIMILAR                                                                    
     ELEMENTS,  FROM] OPERATING  A  VEHICLE AFTER  CONSUMING                                                                    
     ALCOHOL IN  VIOLATION OF AS 28.35.280,  OR FROM REFUSAL                                                                    
     TO SUBMIT TO A CHEMICAL  TEST OF BREATH IN VIOLATION OF                                                                    
     AS 28.35.285; OR                                                                                                           
               (2) A DRUG EDUCATION  OR REHABILITATION                                                                          
     TREATMENT  PROGRAM,  IF  THE REVOCATION  RESULTED  FROM                                                                    
     POSSESSION  OR   USE  OF  A  CONTROLLED   SUBSTANCE  IN                                                                    
     VIOLATION  OF AS  11.71 OR  A MUNICIPAL  ORDINANCE WITH                                                                    
     SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR ELEMENTS].                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Delete Section 13 and replace with                                                                                       
     *Sec. 13.  AS 47.12.060(b) is amended to read:                                                                           
          (b) When the department or an entity selected by                                                                      
     it decides to  make an informal adjustment  of a matter                                                                    
     under (a)(2) of this section, that informal adjustment                                                                   
               (1) must be made with [MAY NOT BE MADE                                                                       
     WITHOUT] the agreement or consent  of the minor and the                                                                    
     minor's   parents  or   guardian  to   the  terms   and                                                                    
     conditions of the adjustment;[.]                                                                                     
               (2) must give [IN ADDITION, THE DEPARTMENT                                                                   
     OR  ENTITY SHALL  GIVE] the  minor's foster  parents an                                                                    
     opportunity to be heard  before the informal adjustment                                                                    
     is made;[.]                                                                                                          
               (3) must include notice that [AN] informal                                                                   
     action  to   adjust  a   matter  is   not  successfully                                                                    
     completed   unless,  among   other  factors   that  the                                                                    
     department or  entity selected by  it considers,  as to                                                                    
     the victim  of the act of  the minor that is  the basis                                                                    
     of   the  delinquency   allegation,   the  minor   pays                                                                    
     restitution in the amount set  by the department or the                                                                    
     entity selected by it or  agrees as a term or condition                                                                    
     set by the  department or the entity selected  by it to                                                                    
     pay the restitution;                                                                                                   
               (4) for a violation of habitual minor                                                                        
     consuming or in possession  under AS 04.16.050(d), must                                                                
     include an  agreement that the  minor perform  96 hours                                                                
     of  community   work  service  and  that   the  minor's                                                                
     privilege to  drive be  revoked for  six months,  as if                                                                
     the  minor had  been adjudicated  delinquent, and  that                                                                
     the  privilege to  drive be  revoked for  an additional                                                                
     six   months  if   the  informal   adjustment  is   not                                                                
     successful  because the  minor  has  failed to  perform                                                                
     community  work service  as ordered,  or has  failed to                                                                
     submit  to  evaluation  or  successfully  complete  the                                                                
     education or treatment recommended.   The department or                                                                
     entity  selected by  it shall  notify  the division  of                                                                
     motor  vehicles of  an informal  adjustment under  this                                                                
     paragraph, and of  an unsuccessful adjustment described                                                                
     in this paragraph;                                                                                                     
               (5)   of   an   offense   described   in   AS                                                                
     28.15.185(a)  must   include  an  agreement   that  the                                                                
     minor's privilege  to drive be  revoked as  provided in                                                                
     AS 28.15.185(b),  as if the minor  had been adjudicated                                                                
     delinquent.   The department or  entity selected  by it                                                                
     shall  notify  the division  of  motor  vehicles of  an                                                                
     informal adjustment under this paragraph.                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
     Add a new section:                                                                                                       
        *Sec. ___.  AS 47.37.040  is amended by adding a new                                                                  
     paragraphs to read:                                                                                                        
               (20) develop and implement or designate, in                                                                      
     cooperation  with  other  state or  local  agencies,  a                                                                    
     juvenile  alcohol safety  action program  that provides                                                                    
     alcohol  and substance  abuse screening,  referral, and                                                                    
     monitoring of  persons under 21  years of age  who have                                                                    
     been referred  to it  by a court  in connection  with a                                                                    
     charge  or conviction  of  a  violation or  misdemeanor                                                                    
     related  to   the  use  of  alcohol   or  a  controlled                                                                    
     substance,  by  the  division   of  motor  vehicles  in                                                                    
     connection with a license action  related to the use of                                                                    
     alcohol or  a controlled substance, or  the division of                                                                    
     juvenile justice after  a delinquency adjudication that                                                                    
     is  related  to the  use  of  alcohol or  a  controlled                                                                    
     substance.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[End of Amendment 1 to HB 179; HB 179 was held over.]                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB 4 - OMNIBUS DRUNK DRIVING AMENDMENTS                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1376                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG announced  that  the committee  would resume  the                                                               
hearing  on  HOUSE BILL  NO.  4,  "An  Act relating  to  offenses                                                               
involving  operating a  motor  vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft                                                               
while under the influence of  an alcoholic beverage or controlled                                                               
substance; relating to  implied consent to take  a chemical test;                                                               
relating  to   registration  of   motor  vehicles;   relating  to                                                               
presumptions arising  from the  amount of  alcohol in  a person's                                                               
breath or blood;  and providing for an effective  date."  [Before                                                               
the  committee were  CSHB 4(TRA)  and Amendment  16A, as  amended                                                               
once.]                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Because  of  their  length,  some   amendments  to  CSHB  4(TRA)                                                               
discussed or adopted  during the meeting are found at  the end of                                                               
this final  section of minutes for  this date for HB  4.  Shorter                                                               
amendments are included in the main text only.]                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ referring to  page 6 of [Amendment 16A],                                                               
asked  why ten  days of  community  work service  (CWS) was  only                                                               
being  allowed  for  the  second  offense.    [Amendment  16A  is                                                               
provided at the end of the minutes for HB 4.]                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1450                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  FORD,  Attorney,  Legislative  Legal  Counsel,  Legislative                                                               
Legal  and Research  Services, Legislative  Affairs Agency,  said                                                               
that this language  in the refusal section of  [Amendment 16A] is                                                               
simply  conforming  to  language   in  the  DWI  (drinking  while                                                               
intoxicated) provisions on page 17  of CSHB 4(TRA).  He confirmed                                                               
that  essentially the  mandatory  minimum sentence  for a  second                                                               
offense is 20 days with 10 days of CWS.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG added  that the alternative is 30 days  in jail if                                                               
the offender does not want to do the CWS.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ commented  that  the  defendant is  not                                                               
usually allowed to make this choice for himself/herself.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG surmised that the decision belonged to the court.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD said he saw this as an  option on the part of the person                                                               
receiving the sentence; he did not  see that the court could deny                                                               
a person this option.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ explained  that  the  defendant is  not                                                               
normally  allowed  to  choose  whether  to  serve  jail  time  or                                                               
suspended  time, and  that the  court could  impose the  30 days'                                                               
jail time without any CWS, if it so chooses.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG noted  that this language was  inserted during the                                                               
time when he was promoting the diversion program.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FORD, acknowledging  that this  is  a point  that should  be                                                               
clarified, restated  that his interpretation  of the  language is                                                               
that the court is required to give the defendant the option.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ remarked that if  this is the case, then                                                               
he objects to this language.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG said  he  agreed  with Representative  Berkowitz:                                                               
the language  should reflect that  this option is at  the court's                                                               
discretion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ noted again  that this language reflects                                                               
minimum sentences, and therefore  the sentence could be increased                                                               
should the court so choose.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1690                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEAN  J.   GUANELI,  Chief  Assistant  Attorney   General,  Legal                                                               
Services  Section-Juneau, Criminal  Division,  Department of  Law                                                               
(DOL), reminded  the committee that the  existing statute already                                                               
defines what  constitutes CWS, and  he suggested that  any change                                                               
in language pertaining to CWS  should reflect that it is pursuant                                                               
to this existing statute.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1712                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG,  momentarily  setting   aside  the  question  of                                                               
[Amendment  16A], made  a motion  to  adopt Conceptual  Amendment                                                               
16B, "to  conform the language  in Section 41 [of  Amendment 16A,                                                               
regarding AS 28.35.032, and Section  27 of CSHB 4(TRA), regarding                                                               
AS  28.35.030] as  needed  to conform  the  instruction that  the                                                               
court be given the power to  make that election."  There being no                                                               
objection, Conceptual Amendment 16B was adopted.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ, returning to  Amendment 16A, noted that                                                               
he still had concerns about it.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1739                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BLAIR McCUNE,  Deputy Director,  Central Office,  Public Defender                                                               
Agency  (PDA),   Department  of  Administration,   testified  via                                                               
teleconference,  and said  that when  the municipal  attorney was                                                               
speaking  about   the  Municipality  of   Anchorage's  forfeiture                                                               
proceedings, it was  with regard to "in  rem" forfeitures instead                                                               
of "in  personam" or  "criminal" forfeitures.   He noted  that in                                                               
the  Anchorage Municipal  Code (AMC),  there  are two  provisions                                                               
relating  to  vehicle  forfeiture  for  DWI.    The  in  personam                                                               
forfeitures  are  located  in  AMC   9.28.020,  and  the  in  rem                                                               
forfeitures are  located in AMC  9.28.026.  He explained  that it                                                               
appears to  him that the  drafter of Amendment 16A  took language                                                               
from  AMC  9.28.020, instead  of  from  AMC 9.28.026,  which,  he                                                               
roughly  paraphrased, results  in  the vehicle  being declared  a                                                               
public nuisance in  order that the vehicle can be  forfeited.  He                                                               
went  on to  suggest that  by using  language from  AMC 9.28.020,                                                               
Amendment  16A would  not  decrease [the  PDA's]  fiscal note  as                                                               
anticipated.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McCUNE,  on  the  point  of  whether  he  had  any  specific                                                               
solutions  to  the  problems pertaining  to  vehicle  forfeiture,                                                               
responded that the  current vehicle forfeiture laws  do allow for                                                               
some  leeway,  but  he  ventured   that  the  specifics  of  this                                                               
information  would  be better  garnered  from  Mr. Guaneli.    He                                                               
suggested  that perhaps  civil forfeiture  might be  addressed in                                                               
statute  already.    However,  he  said  that  in  his  view,  as                                                               
[Amendment  16A] is  currently written,  it is  connected with  a                                                               
criminal case and will result  in an in personam criminal vehicle                                                               
forfeiture.   He  then  referred  to the  first  two sections  of                                                               
Amendment  16 on  page 1,  and noted  that much  to his  shock, a                                                               
person's liberty is  dependent on whether he/she  has the ability                                                               
to post  the return bond.   He surmised that this  provision will                                                               
have big  effects on both  [the PDA] and the  DOC.  And  while he                                                               
acknowledged  that  this  language   is  part  of  the  Anchorage                                                               
Municipal Code, he  said he seriously doubts it is  enforced.  He                                                               
suggested that requiring  a bond on the vehicle in  order for the                                                               
person  to   be  released  from   jail  violates   that  person's                                                               
constitutional right to bail.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD cautioned  the committee that although  he had attempted                                                               
to use  the Anchorage system  with regard to  vehicle forfeiture,                                                               
he was not familiar with it in  practice, and it may very well be                                                               
that Anchorage  does not  use some  of its  municipal provisions.                                                               
He also  noted that the  direction the committee was  taking with                                                               
regard to vehicle  impoundment and forfeiture was  a major change                                                               
from current statutory practice; therefore, he urged caution.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG remarked  that it  would be  difficult to  simply                                                               
suggest  a  conceptual  amendment  to  alleviate  some  of  these                                                               
aforementioned  concerns  relating  to vehicle  forfeiture.    He                                                               
mentioned,  however,   that  properly  amending   the  provisions                                                               
regarding vehicle  forfeiture has  the potential of  lowering the                                                               
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2122                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ made  a  motion to  adopt a  conceptual                                                               
amendment to Amendment 16A, "that  we withdraw all the forfeiture                                                               
provisions from [Amendment 16A]."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG asked  whether this  amendment  to Amendment  16A                                                               
would affect the impoundment provisions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD said  that forfeiture and impoundment are  the two major                                                               
parts to  consider, and  that they  are two  separate parts.   He                                                               
added that if  the committee wanted to retain  the current system                                                               
with regard  to vehicle forfeiture,  then those  references could                                                               
be removed.   He noted that under the  present system, forfeiture                                                               
is at the discretion of the  courts, whereas impoundment is up to                                                               
the police and is typically a safety issue.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  offered  that  they would  be  making  a  policy                                                               
statement,  and he  added that  they  had already  made a  policy                                                               
statement elsewhere in the bill  that is simply being reconfirmed                                                               
by Amendment 16A  - that vehicle forfeiture will  be mandated for                                                               
the  third, or  higher, conviction,  and, via  another amendment,                                                               
that  the   courts  will  have   the  option  of   forfeiture  or                                                               
impoundment on the second offense.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD confirmed  that there was an earlier  amendment that did                                                               
accomplish this step regarding vehicle forfeiture.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG clarified  that he was referring  to a forthcoming                                                               
amendment relating  to forfeiture of a  vehicle's license plates,                                                               
which he  said he is  calling "impoundment  in place."   He added                                                               
that  he was  willing to  strip Amendment  16A down  to its  bare                                                               
essentials in  the interest of  moving the process along,  but he                                                               
did not want to miss something by doing so.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  said, "As  I understand it,  what we're                                                               
hanging  on   here  are  the   impoundment  and   the  forfeiture                                                               
provisions that are in [Amendment 16A]."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2221                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  rephrased the  amendment to  Amendment 16A:   "To                                                               
remove  those sections  that  relate to  the  attempt that  we're                                                               
making  for  civil-case forfeiture  and  impoundment  only.   Any                                                               
other provisions  that relate to current  state forfeiture and/or                                                               
the times of  forfeiture and impoundment should  remain in there,                                                               
if in fact they're even there."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2250                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JANET  SEITZ, Staff  to  Representative  Norman Rokeberg,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature, noted  that this  amendment to  Amendment 16A                                                               
would leave all of the refusal language intact.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2270                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  asked whether  there were  any objections  to the                                                               
amendment to Amendment  16A [as previously amended  once].  There                                                               
being no  objection, the  second amendment  to Amendment  16A was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  referred to  language in Section  42 of                                                               
Amendment  16A  that  says:     "supply  the  judge,  prosecutor,                                                           
defendant, and  an agency involved  in the  defendant's treatment                                                           
with information and reports concerning  the defendant's past and                                                           
present  assessment,  treatment,  and progress".  He  then  asked                                                           
whether  this   would  be   invading  the   patient's  privileged                                                               
information.   He suggested that  some of this  information might                                                               
be  doctor-patient, or  psychoanalyst-patient  information.   And                                                               
although he  acknowledged that  this information  is confidential                                                               
and  may  only  be  used   in  court  proceedings  involving  the                                                               
defendant  or  the defendant's  treatment,  he  pointed out  that                                                               
supplying this  information is, essentially,  widely broadcasting                                                               
what  can  be  privileged  information,  without  any  provisions                                                               
protecting the individual's privacy rights.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD  pointed out that  the language  limits who can  get the                                                               
information and  what the information  can be used for,  and that                                                               
the information is  confidential.  He suggested  that this should                                                               
provide some comfort level.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ called this a  big loophole and used the                                                               
following example:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     I've  got  some guy  who  the  doctors  say is  ...  an                                                                    
     alcoholic and a  kleptomaniac.  ... I'm  a prosecutor -                                                                    
     I have  access to  this information -  and I  could use                                                                    
     that in another court proceeding.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI,  in defense  of this specific  language -  which was                                                               
suggested by  the DOL  - said  that there  are specific  rules of                                                               
evidence  that  govern  what  evidence  is  admissible  in  court                                                               
proceedings,  and  one  of  the primary  rules  pertains  to  the                                                               
doctor-patient   relationship.      If  prosecutors   come   into                                                               
possession of  that type of  information, they simply  cannot use                                                               
it.   He explained  that this information  is necessary  to guide                                                               
the  defendant's further  treatment; the  treatment professionals                                                               
say that they  sometimes have trouble getting full  access to all                                                               
of  the defendant's  prior  treatment records,  and  they need  a                                                               
statute that will allow them to gather this information.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ   related  another  example   in  which                                                               
information  was disseminated  more  widely than  it should  have                                                               
been:    an individual  was  HIV  (human immunodeficiency  virus)                                                               
positive - falsely,  it turned out - and it  became a problem for                                                               
this individual in his community.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2429                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  suggested striking "the  defendant or" from  page 8,                                                               
lines  19-20, of  Amendment 16A,  resulting in  the information's                                                               
only being used  in a court proceeding  involving the defendant's                                                               
treatment.   He  illustrated that  a  judge could  hold a  review                                                               
hearing to  determine how the  defendant is doing in  a treatment                                                               
program,  but the  information could  not be  used in  some other                                                               
case or for some other purpose.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ pointed  out  that  people who  violate                                                               
this provision  by disseminating information are  violating state                                                               
policy and probably state law.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.   GUANELI  said   that  to   the  extent   that  confidential                                                               
information  is  used  improperly, a  criminal  provision  covers                                                               
that.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2487                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ made a motion  to amend Amendment 16A by                                                               
striking  "the  defendant  or"  from page  8,  lines  19-20,  and                                                               
included a conforming amendment to  page 18 [lines 18-19, of CSHB
4(TRA)].                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-51, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 2487                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  asked whether  there were  any objections  to the                                                               
amendment to Amendment 16A [as  previously amended twice].  There                                                               
being  no objection,  the third  amendment to  Amendment 16A  was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2477                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  asked  whether  there  were  any  objections  to                                                               
Amendment 16A, as  amended.  There being  no objection, Amendment                                                               
16A, as amended, was adopted.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2451                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  made  a  motion   to  adopt  Amendment  36  [22-                                                               
LS0046\S.25, Ford, 3/28/01].   He explained that  this allows for                                                               
the  seizure of  license  plates,  and that  he  called this  the                                                               
"impoundment-in-place amendment."   [Amendment 36 is  provided at                                                               
the end of the minutes for HB 4.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. SEITZ added that Amendment 36  would put in place a procedure                                                               
by which law  enforcement officials could, at the  same time that                                                               
the driver's license is seized,  seize the registration plates of                                                               
the vehicle and issue a  temporary permit under which the vehicle                                                               
may be  operated.  She noted  that this tracks with  what is done                                                               
now regarding seizure of driver's  licenses.  It gives the person                                                               
the right to an appeal, and  it gives the co-owner of the vehicle                                                               
the  right  (page 2,  beginning  on  line  7) to  reregister  the                                                               
vehicle under  the co-owner's  name.  She  added that  seizure of                                                               
the  plates  would  run  concurrent  with  the  driver's  license                                                               
revocation/suspension.   She explained that  language on  page 3,                                                               
beginning on  line 24,  provides for  impoundment of  the vehicle                                                               
(for  a second  or  higher  offense) by  immobilizing  it at  the                                                               
offender's  residence  for  the  same period  of  time  that  the                                                               
driver's license is revoked.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ asked what  would happen when someone is                                                               
arrested while driving a rental car.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD replied that there is  a provision allowing the owner to                                                               
get  the plates  back, and  that there  is also  a provision  for                                                               
review.     He  added  that   under  the   administrative  review                                                               
provisions, AS  28.15.166, an  innocent party  can "show  up" and                                                               
defend his/her rights.   He also added that there  is a provision                                                               
for notice  in existing  law, and that  he had  dovetailed "this"                                                               
provision with the license-revocation provisions.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ, using  the hypothetical  example of  a                                                               
rental  car, said  that at  the time  of arrest,  the officer  is                                                               
going to  know that the  vehicle is a  rental; he then  asked why                                                               
the officer is being forced to  go through the process of seizing                                                               
the plates, which  would force someone from the  rental agency to                                                               
go through the process of reclaiming  the plates.  He said, "This                                                               
is the problem you get into when you do not allow discretion."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2310                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARY  MARSHBURN,  Director,  Division of  Motor  Vehicles  (DMV),                                                               
Department  of Administration,  testified via  teleconference and                                                               
on this same point,  said that the DMV did not  see that there is                                                               
"an  easy out"  for  a rental  or  a leased  vehicle.   In  these                                                               
instances, the  rental car or  leasing company is not  a co-owner                                                               
(which  would be  covered under  language in  subsection (e),  on                                                               
page 2,  line 7, of Amendment  36); the company is  the owner and                                                               
the  user is  simply the  registered  user.   She explained  that                                                               
there were  basically three situations  regarding operation  of a                                                               
vehicle:   the vehicle  is leased  or rented  by the  driver, the                                                               
driver borrows  the vehicle from  another person, or  the vehicle                                                               
is owned  or co-owned by the  driver.  She noted  that subsection                                                               
(e) would not cover the owner of a borrowed vehicle either.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARSHBURN suggested that on page  2, line 7, of Amendment 36,                                                               
"co-owner" be replaced with "owner" in  order that the owner of a                                                               
borrowed  vehicle  be  given  the same  recourse  that  is  being                                                               
offered  to  a  co-owner.    She also  suggested  that  the  last                                                               
sentence of subsection  (e) be deleted from page  2, lines 11-13,                                                               
of Amendment  36, because  it is almost  certain that  any seized                                                               
plates would not  end up in the DMV's  possession anytime quickly                                                               
after seizure,  nor would the  plates necessarily be at  the same                                                               
location  that  an  individual  might  come  to  reregister,  and                                                               
therefore the DMV would simply assign new plates to the vehicle.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARSHBURN,  with  regard  to a  question  posed  earlier  by                                                               
Representative Berkowitz, explained that it  is the status of the                                                               
driver's license and  the type of driver's  license that dictates                                                               
whether  a person  can  drive  and under  what  conditions.   The                                                               
vehicle does not  need to be registered in that  person's name in                                                               
order  for him/her  to drive  that vehicle.   If  the license  is                                                               
revoked,  the person  cannot drive  anything; if  the license  is                                                               
limited, the person  can only drive according  to the limitations                                                               
of  the license.    With this  in  mind, she  said  that the  DMV                                                               
considers this provision regarding  plate confiscation as more of                                                               
a paper  or record exercise,  rather than having any  real effect                                                               
on the  DWI problem.  She  opined that the only  practical effect                                                               
that plate seizure is going to have  is going to be on the single                                                               
individual who is  the sole owner of the vehicle  that he/she was                                                               
driving at the  time of arrest, and who does  not have any access                                                               
whatsoever  to  any  other   vehicle,  either  borrowed,  rented,                                                               
leased, or co-owned.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES noted that if  a person is driving a vehicle                                                               
without plates, it  provides a visual indication  that the person                                                               
should be stopped by law enforcement.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD, on the topics  of borrowed cars and leased/rented cars,                                                               
said  that a  provision should  be added,  perhaps in  subsection                                                               
(e), that  will allow owners of  a borrowed vehicle to  get their                                                               
plates returned.  It also would be a  good idea to come up with a                                                               
trigger   that  involves   ownership  [of   leased/rented  cars],                                                               
although, he  added, he was  not sure  how that would  operate at                                                               
the arrest portion of the process.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ, on  the  goal of  Amendment 36,  noted                                                               
that  in the  clearest  case, if  a person  is  caught DWI  while                                                               
driving his/her own vehicle, then the plates can be taken.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2053                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL,   referring  to  page  1,   line  7,  of                                                               
Amendment 36, suggested adding language  "for which the person is                                                               
the sole  owner" to ensure  that the  plates are only  taken from                                                               
vehicles owned by the person suspected of DWI.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2007                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ALVIA  "STEVE" DUNNAGAN,  Lieutenant,  Division  of Alaska  State                                                               
Troopers,  Department  of  Public  Safety  (DPS),  testified  via                                                               
teleconference.   In  response to  questions,  he explained  that                                                               
vehicle  registration can  be, and  is,  checked at  the time  of                                                               
arrest.  The  arresting officers not only run  the record through                                                               
the computer  system, they also  look for  registration documents                                                               
in the vehicle  itself in order to match them  up with plates and                                                               
vehicle  identification numbers  (VINs).   He did  note, however,                                                               
that a  fairly common  problem occurs when  people buy  a vehicle                                                               
from another person  but do not change the registration.   When a                                                               
car is  sold, both the buyer  and the seller are  supposed to let                                                               
the DMV  know that  the transaction took  place, but  that "falls                                                               
through  the crack"  and does  not get  done a  lot of  the time.                                                               
Because of  this, sometimes  an officer in  the field  might find                                                               
that  a vehicle  is registered  to somebody  completely different                                                               
from  the  person driving  it,  who  claims  to have  bought  the                                                               
vehicle  several  months  prior.    He  added  that  luckily,  on                                                               
occasion, the seller has already notified the DMV of the sale.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT DUNNAGAN, on the topic  of confiscating license plates                                                               
for DWI,  suggested the  committee also consider  that it  is not                                                               
uncommon now  for people to  steal license plates  simply because                                                               
they  don't  have the  funds,  or  the documentation  to  provide                                                               
proper  proof, for  licensing through  the  DMV.   He added  that                                                               
misuse  of license  plates  is  a misdemeanor,  and  is a  fairly                                                               
common offense.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. FORD,  with regard  to a solution  for borrowed,  rented, and                                                               
leased vehicles, suggested simply requiring  that it be a vehicle                                                               
that the person is a registered owner or co-owner of.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1880                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  made a motion to  amend Amendment 36 "to  do just                                                               
that [for Mr. Ford to  make ownership clarifications in Amendment                                                               
36]."  There  being no objections, the amendment  to Amendment 36                                                               
was adopted.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1864                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  made a  motion to further  amend Amendment  36 on                                                               
page  1  [line  11]  by   adding,  after  "issue  a",  the  words                                                               
"distinctively marked".   In this way, the  temporary permit that                                                               
is  issued   for  a  vehicle's   registration  plates   would  be                                                               
distinctively marked,  and could not  be confused with  any other                                                               
type of temporary  permit.  There being no  objection, the second                                                               
amendment to Amendment 36 was adopted.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1799                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  asked  whether  there  were  any  objections  to                                                               
Amendment 36,  as amended.   There being no  objection, Amendment                                                               
36, as amended, was adopted.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1773                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  made  a  motion   to  adopt  Amendment  37  [22-                                                               
LS0046\S.26, Ford, 3/28/01], which read:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
       Page 1, line 9, following the first occurrence of                                                                        
     "of":                                                                                                                      
          Insert                                                                                                                
               "(1)"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 11, following "program":                                                                                      
          Insert "; and                                                                                                         
               (2)  up to 50 percent of the minimum fines                                                                       
     required under (b)(1) or (n)(1) of this section"                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SEITZ  explained  that  Amendment 37  gives  the  judge  the                                                               
discretion of  suspending up to  50 percent of the  minimum fines                                                               
that are set in CSHB 4(TRA).   She clarified that the language in                                                               
Amendment 37  amends language in  Amendment 7, which  was adopted                                                               
on 3/26/01.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1659                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  asked  whether  there  were  any  objections  to                                                               
Amendment  37.    There  being no  objection,  Amendment  37  was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1635                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  made a motion  to adopt Amendment 40,  which read                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 20, line 21                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          DELETE:  "240"                                                                                                        
          INSERT:  "180"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 20, line 23:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          DELETE:  "480"                                                                                                        
          INSERT:  "360"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 20, line 25:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          DELETE:  "two years"                                                                                                  
          INSERT:  "440 days"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Conform portions of amendment 16 (if adopted) dealing                                                                      
      with refusal to time lines above (page 10, lines 21,                                                                      
     23, and 25 of amendment [number] 16)                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG explained that Amendment  40 reduces the amount of                                                               
"hard time" served, and reduces the fiscal note by $1.1 million.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL asked  whether  this  change would  still                                                               
allow  enough time  for adequate  treatment  as discussed  during                                                               
previous testimony.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG confirmed that it did.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ added  that  it  increases the  current                                                               
sentence by  50 percent,  instead of 100  percent, which  is what                                                               
language presently in CSHB 4(TRA) does.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1590                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  asked  whether  there  were  any  objections  to                                                               
Amendment  40.    There  being no  objection,  Amendment  40  was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1581                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  made a motion  to adopt Amendment 41,  which read                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 16, line 11                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          DELETE:  "500"                                                                                                        
          INSERT:  "1500"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  explained  that  Amendment  41  is  a  technical                                                               
amendment;  when  the  committee   decided  to  delete  the  ".08                                                               
diversion program,"  the language regarding  the $500 fine  for a                                                               
first offense  was inadvertently retained instead  of the correct                                                               
amount of $1,500.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BERKOWITZ  reminded   the  committee   that  the                                                               
language  regarding  refusal should  conform  to  this change  as                                                               
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG   noted  that  he   would  be  giving   Mr.  Ford                                                               
instructions  to conform  language  as needed  when crafting  the                                                               
committee substitute reflecting the adopted amendments.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1520                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  asked  whether  there  were  any  objections  to                                                               
Amendment  41.    There  being no  objection,  Amendment  41  was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1487                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ made  a  motion to  adopt Amendment  38                                                               
[22-LS0046\S.27, Ford,  3/28/01].  [Amendment  38 is  provided at                                                               
the end of the minutes on HB 4.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1481                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES objected.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG said  that although he likes Amendment  38 and the                                                               
DUI Prevention  Task Force recommended  the concept, he  also had                                                               
to object.   He  offered that  the problem is  one of  creating a                                                               
nexus  between the  permanent fund  dividend (PFD)  pool and  the                                                               
ASAP  (Alcohol  Safety  Action  Program)  fees,  the  fines,  the                                                               
restitution, and the treatment fees,  since currently those funds                                                               
would  simply  go  directly  into  the general  fund  (GF).    He                                                               
suggested  that  raising  the  fine   to  $1,500  is  similar  to                                                               
collecting a person's PFD.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  argued that  imposing a fine  of $1,500                                                               
for  a DWI  does not  send the  same message  as making  a person                                                               
ineligible to receive a PFD.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  countered that if  the bill allowed the  judge to                                                               
suspend  up to  50  percent  of the  fine,  that  money could  be                                                               
directed elsewhere, unlike  the concept of taking  a person's PFD                                                               
privileges away as proposed by Amendment 38.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1346                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CANDACE BROWER,  Program Coordinator/Legislative  Liaison, Office                                                               
of the  Commissioner, Department of Corrections  (DOC), commented                                                               
that  Amendment 38  would  attach an  additional  fiscal note  of                                                               
about $45,000 to  the DOC for a "stat-tech" position  in order to                                                               
determine PFD eligibilities.   She added that  placing those PFDs                                                               
in the pool  removes the ability of other agencies  to garnish or                                                               
be  assigned  those funds,  for  example,  for child  support  or                                                               
treatment costs.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1300                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ withdrew Amendment  38 but noted that he                                                               
would still be looking for a way to institute the concept.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1290                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  made a motion  to adopt Conceptual  Amendment 42,                                                               
"to  statutorily raise  the  ASAP  fee to  not  less than  $150."                                                               
There being no objection, Conceptual Amendment 42 was adopted.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG,  after  some discussion  concerning  whether  to                                                               
report CSHB 4(TRA), as amended,  out of committee, announced that                                                               
the  committee  would  hold  the  bill  over  and  bring  back  a                                                               
committee  substitute.   [This was  followed by  brief discussion                                                               
regarding  when to  meet next  for  a hearing  on HB  4.]   Chair                                                               
Rokeberg  then  gave  Mr.  Ford   formal  instructions  from  the                                                               
committee to "make all  the non-substantive conforming amendments                                                               
and cleanup that you need to do from a drafting standpoint."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[The  hearing on  HB  4 was  recessed  to a  call  of the  chair,                                                               
tentatively set for 11 a.m., 4/3/01; HB 4 was held over.]                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                           AMENDMENTS                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The following amendments to CSHB  4(TRA) were either discussed or                                                               
adopted during the hearing.   [Shorter amendments are provided in                                                               
the main text only.]                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Amendment 16A  [22-LS0046\S.8, Ford, 3/21/01]  (original version;                                                             
adopted after being amended three times):                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 28:                                                                                                 
          Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                    
        "* Sec.  4.  AS 12.30.020  is amended by  adding new                                                                  
     subsections to read:                                                                                                       
          (i)  In addition to the conditions of release                                                                         
     imposed under  (b) of this  section, the  conditions of                                                                    
     release  established  for  a   person  charged  with  a                                                                    
     violation of AS 28.35.030 or  28.35.032 must include at                                                                    
     a minimum an order that  the person's interest, if any,                                                                    
     in the  motor vehicle, aircraft, or  watercraft alleged                                                                    
     in  an oral  statement  by a  police officer,  criminal                                                                    
     complaint,  information,  or  indictment to  have  been                                                                    
     used in the  commission of the offense  be forfeited if                                                                    
     the  person   does  not  appear   as  ordered.     This                                                                    
     subsection applies  to any  release before  judgment of                                                                    
     conviction  on a  charge of  violating AS 28.35.030  or                                                                    
     28.35.032, including  any release  on the  person's own                                                                    
     recognizance.                                                                                                              
          (j)  The judicial officer who sets the conditions                                                                     
     of release  for a  person arrested  for a  violation of                                                                    
     AS 28.35.030  or 28.35.032  shall, in  addition to  the                                                                    
     conditions  of  release  required  under  (b)  of  this                                                                    
     section, set  a motor vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft                                                                    
     return  bond  for  the   motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft  alleged in  an oral  statement of  a police                                                                    
     officer   or   criminal  complaint,   information,   or                                                                    
     indictment to have  been used in the  commission of the                                                                    
     offense   if  the   records   of   the  Department   of                                                                    
     Administration,  or  the  records  of  an  agency  with                                                                    
     similar  responsibilities in  another state,  show that                                                                    
     the person  arrested for the  offense has  any interest                                                                    
     in  the motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft.   The                                                                    
     purpose  of  setting  a  motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft  return bond  is to  secure the  presence of                                                                    
     the  motor  vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft  pending                                                                    
     trial  and to  provide security  to be  forfeited along                                                                    
     with the  proceeds of a sale,  transfer, or encumbrance                                                                    
     if  the   person's  interest  in  the   motor  vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft,  or  watercraft   is  sold,  transferred,  or                                                                    
     encumbered  after  the   motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft has  been released pending trial.   A person                                                                    
     who secures  the release of a  motor vehicle, aircraft,                                                                    
     or  watercraft  under  a motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft return  bond must return the  motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft,  or watercraft  to the  custody of  the state                                                                    
     upon  order of  the  court.   If  the motor  vehicle's,                                                                    
     aircraft's, or  watercraft's release has  been obtained                                                                    
     through the  posting of a  motor vehicle,  aircraft, or                                                                    
     watercraft   return  bond   and   the  motor   vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or watercraft is not  returned as required by                                                                    
     the court's  order after a judgment  of conviction, the                                                                    
     state  may,  in  addition to  obtaining  the  forfeited                                                                    
     return bond  funds, seize the motor  vehicle, aircraft,                                                                    
     or   watercraft  to   implement   the  impoundment   or                                                                    
     forfeiture ordered  by the  court.   If the  person has                                                                    
     not  been previously  convicted,  the judicial  officer                                                                    
     setting  the  motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or  watercraft                                                                    
     return  bond shall  order that  the requirement  of the                                                                    
     motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or watercraft  return  bond                                                                    
     shall  automatically expire  30  days  after the  motor                                                                    
     vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft has  been seized  if                                                                    
     the  motor vehicle,  aircraft,  or  watercraft has  not                                                                    
     been  released  under  a motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft return  bond.  The motor  vehicle, aircraft,                                                                    
     or  watercraft return  bond set  under this  subsection                                                                    
     may only  be posted  by a person  alleged to  have used                                                                    
     the  motor  vehicle,   aircraft,  or  watercraft  while                                                                    
     violating AS 28.35.030 or 28.35.032  or by a person who                                                                    
     agrees  to  return  the  motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft  upon order  of the  court  upon penalty  of                                                                    
     forfeiture of the bond.   A motor vehicle, aircraft, or                                                                    
     watercraft return bond  may only be posted  in cash and                                                                    
     must be set at a minimum  of (1) $250 if the person has                                                                    
     not been  previously convicted;(2)  $500 if  the person                                                                    
     has been  previously convicted  and the  motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or watercraft  is 20 years old  or older; (3)                                                                    
     $1,000 if the person  has been previously convicted and                                                                    
     the motor vehicle, aircraft, or  watercraft is 15 years                                                                    
     old or older but less than  20 years old; (4) $1,500 if                                                                    
     the person has been  previously convicted and the motor                                                                    
     vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft is  10 years  old or                                                                    
     older but  less than  15 years old;  (5) $2,000  if the                                                                    
     person  has been  previously  convicted  and the  motor                                                                    
     vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft is five  years old or                                                                    
     older but  less than  10 years old;  and (6)  $2,500 if                                                                    
     the person has been  previously convicted and the motor                                                                    
     vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft  is  less than  five                                                                    
     years old.  In  this subsection, "previously convicted"                                                                    
     has the meaning given in AS 28.35.030(o).                                                                                  
          (k)  A motor vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft                                                                         
     return  bond  may be  set  above  the minimum  provided                                                                    
     under  (j)  of  this  section  if  the  motor  vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or watercraft appears  to have unusually high                                                                    
     value  for its  age.   A  motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft for  which a bond  is required under  (j) of                                                                    
     this section  may not be  released pending  trial until                                                                    
     (1) the  person seeking  release of the  motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft,   or  watercraft   has   provided  proof   of                                                                    
     ownership   of   the   motor  vehicle,   aircraft,   or                                                                    
     watercraft  and paid  or provided  proof of  payment of                                                                    
     the motor vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft return bond                                                                    
     and  towing  and  storage   fees,  including  the  $160                                                                    
     administrative   fee   to   offset   the   department's                                                                    
     processing  costs; or  (2) the  court makes  a specific                                                                    
     finding  that   the  seizure  of  the   motor  vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft,  or watercraft  was  legally unjustified  and                                                                    
     the specific finding follows a  contested hearing or is                                                                    
     established by  a stipulation between the  parties.  If                                                                    
     a motor  vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft  has not been                                                                    
     impounded for  a longer period than  the motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft,  or  watercraft  would be  impounded  if  the                                                                    
     person  were convicted,  the court  may not  delete the                                                                    
     requirement   of  the   motor  vehicle,   aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft  return bond  or  exonerate  a posted  motor                                                                    
     vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft  return bond until the                                                                    
     motor vehicle,  aircraft, or watercraft for  which bond                                                                    
     has been posted  is returned to the  department under a                                                                    
     court   order.       In   this   subsection,   "legally                                                                    
     unjustified"  means there  was no  reasonable suspicion                                                                    
     for the stop or probable cause for the arrest.                                                                             
          (l)  A motor vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft                                                                         
     that  is  subject to  a  court  order setting  a  motor                                                                    
     vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft  return bond under (j)                                                                    
     of this  section and that  has not been  released under                                                                    
     that  order is  subject to  the disposal  provisions of                                                                    
     AS 28.10.502(c) if  a criminal  complaint, information,                                                                    
     or indictment is not filed by  the date and time of the                                                                    
     scheduled   arraignment   alleging   a   violation   of                                                                    
     AS 28.35.030  or  28.35.032, or  if  the  count of  the                                                                    
     criminal   complaint,    information,   or   indictment                                                                    
     alleging a  violation of  AS 28.35.030 or  28.35.032 is                                                                    
     dismissed  or  is  resolved by  the  acquittal  of  the                                                                    
     person  alleged   to  have  violated   AS 28.35.030  or                                                                    
     28.35.032.   A motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft                                                                    
     return  bond  expires  on  the date  and  time  of  the                                                                    
     scheduled   arraignment   if  a   criminal   complaint,                                                                    
     information,  or  indictment  alleging a  violation  of                                                                    
     AS 28.35.030 or 28.35.032 is not  filed by the date and                                                                    
     time of the scheduled arraignment."                                                                                        
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          Delete "The"                                                                                                          
          Insert      "Except     as      provided     under                                                                
     AS 28.35.030(n)(3) and AS 28.35.032(p)(3), the [THE]"                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 18, lines 5 - 8:                                                                                                      
          Delete                                                                                                                
               "(3)  the court shall revoke the person's                                                                        
     driver's license,  privilege to drive, or  privilege to                                                                    
     obtain a license under AS 28.15.181,  and may order the                                                                    
     motor vehicle  or aircraft that was  used in commission                                                                    
     of the offense to be forfeited under AS 28.35.036."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          Insert                                                                                                                
               "(3)  the court shall revoke the person's                                                                        
     driver's license,  privilege to drive, or  privilege to                                                                    
     obtain a  license under  AS 28.15.181, shall  order the                                                                
     motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or  watercraft  used in  the                                                                
     commission of  the offense impounded as  required under                                                                
     AS 28.35.036,  and may  order the  motor vehicle,  [OR]                                                            
     aircraft, or watercraft that was  used in commission of                                                                
     the offense to be forfeited under AS 28.35.037;                                                                        
               (4)  the court shall order that any motor                                                                    
     vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft return bond  that has                                                                
     been  posted   under  AS 12.30.020(j)  to   secure  the                                                                
     release of  the motor vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft                                                                
     be  forfeited  to  the  state  if  the  motor  vehicle,                                                                
     aircraft, or  watercraft subject to the  motor vehicle,                                                                
     aircraft, or watercraft return bond  is not returned to                                                                
     the custody  of the  state within  five days  after the                                                                
     sentencing;  the  court  shall  order  that  any  motor                                                                
     vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft  return bond posted to                                                                
     secure the  release of the motor  vehicle, aircraft, or                                                                
     watercraft  be  exonerated   when  the  motor  vehicle,                                                                
     aircraft,  or  watercraft  has  been  returned  to  the                                                                
     custody of  the state;  the court  may also  order that                                                                
     any proceeds  of any sale, transfer,  or encumbrance of                                                                
     the   motor  vehicle,   aircraft,   or  watercraft   be                                                                
     forfeited to the state if  the motor vehicle, aircraft,                                                                
     or   watercraft   has   been  sold,   transferred,   or                                                                
     encumbered  while  the   motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                
     watercraft  has  been  subject   to  a  motor  vehicle,                                                                
     aircraft, or  watercraft return bond; a  motor vehicle,                                                                
     aircraft,   or  watercraft   ordered  impounded   under                                                                
     AS 28.35.036  may  not  be  released  until  after  the                                                                
     person seeking release of  the motor vehicle, aircraft,                                                                
     or watercraft  has satisfied the release  provisions of                                                                
     AS 12.30.020(k);   any  order   of  impoundment   under                                                                
     AS 28.35.036  or   forfeiture  under   AS 28.35.037  is                                                                
     subject to  the rights of lienholders  and coowners who                                                                
     are  not the  person  convicted under  this section  as                                                                
     those  rights  are  adjudicated  in  proceedings  under                                                                
     AS 28.35.037; if  the state has brought  a civil action                                                                
     under  AS 28.35.037 seeking  forfeiture as  against all                                                                
     those with an interest  in the motor vehicle, aircraft,                                                                
     or  watercraft   except  the  person  charged   with  a                                                                
     violation  of this  section,  that  civil action  shall                                                                
     provide  the  sole  forum   in  which  lienholders  and                                                                
     coowners who  claim an interest  in the  motor vehicle,                                                                
     aircraft, or watercraft but are  not the person charged                                                                
     with a  violation of this  section can seek  relief; in                                                                
     this  paragraph,   "interest  in  the   motor  vehicle,                                                                
     aircraft,  or  watercraft"  means a  right,  claim,  or                                                                
     title to the motor  vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft or                                                                
     a  legal  share  in  the motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                
     watercraft  that   the  oral  statement  of   a  police                                                                
     officer, complaint, indictment,  or information alleges                                                                
     was  used in  the  commission of  a  violation of  this                                                                
     section [AS 28.35.036]."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "The Department of Health and Social                                                                       
     Services shall, by  regulation, establish standards for                                                                
     clinically  appropriate treatment  required under  this                                                                
     subsection.  The  treatment standards established under                                                                
     this  subsection must  include compliance  with alcohol                                                                
     or  drug   treatment,  anger   management,  counseling,                                                                
     parent training, and domestic violence prevention."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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               "(5)    shall  [MAY]  also  order  forfeiture                                                                
     under  AS 28.35.036  of  the  vehicle,  watercraft,  or                                                                
     aircraft  used  in  the   commission  of  the  offense,                                                                    
     subject to remission under AS 28.35.037; and"                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Insert                                                                                                                
               "(5)    shall  [MAY] also  order  impoundment                                                            
     [FORFEITURE] under  AS 28.35.036 of the  motor vehicle,                                                            
     [OR] aircraft, or watercraft used  in the commission of                                                                
     the  offense,  and  forfeiture of  the  motor  vehicle,                                                                
     aircraft,  or watercraft  [SUBJECT TO  REMISSION] under                                                                
     AS 28.35.037; and"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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          Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                     
        "* Sec. 41.  AS 28.35.032(g) is amended to read:                                                                      
          (g)  Upon conviction under this section,                                                                          
               (1)    the  court   shall  impose  a  minimum                                                                    
     sentence of imprisonment of                                                                                                
               (A)   not less than 72  consecutive hours and                                                                    
     a fine of  not less than $500 [$250] if  the person has                                                                
     not been previously convicted;                                                                                             
               (B)  not less than  30 days, or not less than                                                                
     20 days  if the  person performs  10 days  of community                                                                
     service, and a  fine of not less than  $3,000 [$500] if                                                            
     the person has been previously convicted once;                                                                             
               (C)  not less than 60  days and a fine of not                                                                    
     less  than  $4,000  [$1,000] if  the  person  has  been                                                                
     previously  convicted  twice  and  is  not  subject  to                                                                    
     punishment under (p) of this section;                                                                                      
               (D)   not less  than 120 days  and a  fine of                                                                    
     not less  than $5,000 [$2,000]  if the person  has been                                                                
     previously convicted three times  and is not subject to                                                                    
     punishment under (p) of this section;                                                                                      
               (E)   not less  than 240 days  and a  fine of                                                                    
     not less  than $6,000 [$3,000]  if the person  has been                                                                
     previously convicted  four times and is  not subject to                                                                    
     punishment under (p) of this section;                                                                                      
               (F)   not less  than 360 days  and a  fine of                                                                    
     not less  than $7,000 [$4,000]  if the person  has been                                                                
     previously convicted  more than  four times and  is not                                                                    
     subject to punishment under (p) of this section;                                                                           
               (2)  the court may not                                                                                           
               (A)  suspend execution of the sentence                                                                           
     required by (1) of  this subsection or grant probation,                                                                    
     except on  condition that the person  serve the minimum                                                                    
     imprisonment under (1) of this subsection; or                                                                              
              (B)  suspend imposition of sentence;                                                                              
               (3)  the court shall revoke the person's                                                                         
     driver's license,  privilege to drive, or  privilege to                                                                    
     obtain a  license under  AS 28.15.181, shall  order the                                                                
     motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or  watercraft  used in  the                                                                
     commission of  the offense impounded as  required under                                                                
     AS 28.35.036,  and may  order the  motor vehicle,  [OR]                                                            
     aircraft, or watercraft that was  used in commission of                                                                
     the   offense    be   forfeited    under   AS 28.35.037                                                                
     [AS 28.35.036]; [AND]                                                                                                      
               (4)  the sentence imposed by the court under                                                                     
     this subsection shall run  consecutively with any other                                                                    
     sentence of imprisonment imposed on the person; and                                                                    
               (5)  the court shall order that any motor                                                                    
     vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft return bond  that has                                                                
     been  posted  to  secure  the   release  of  the  motor                                                                
     vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft  be forfeited  to the                                                                
     state  if the  motor vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft                                                                
     subject to  the motor vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft                                                                
     return  bond is  not  returned to  the  custody of  the                                                                
     state within five days after  the sentencing; the court                                                                
     shall  order  that  any  motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                
     watercraft return bond posted  to secure the release of                                                                
     the   motor  vehicle,   aircraft,   or  watercraft   be                                                                
     exonerated  when   the  motor  vehicle,   aircraft,  or                                                                
     watercraft  has been  returned to  the  custody of  the                                                                
     state; the  court may also  order that any  proceeds of                                                                
     any  sale,  transfer,  or   encumbrance  of  the  motor                                                                
     vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft  be forfeited  to the                                                                
     state  if the  motor vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft                                                                
     has  been sold,  transferred, or  encumbered while  the                                                                
     motor  vehicle,   aircraft,  or  watercraft   has  been                                                                
     subject  to a  motor vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft                                                                
     return bond;  a motor vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft                                                                
     ordered  impounded   under  AS 28.35.036  may   not  be                                                                
     released until after the person  seeking release of the                                                                
     motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft  has satisfied                                                                
     the release provisions of  AS 12.30.020(k); an order of                                                                
     impoundment  under  AS 28.35.036  or  forfeiture  under                                                                
     AS 28.35.037 is  subject to  the rights  of lienholders                                                                
     and  coowners who  are not  the person  convicted of  a                                                                
     violation  of   this  section   as  those   rights  are                                                                
     adjudicated in  proceedings under AS 28.35.037;  if the                                                                
     state  has brought  a civil  action under  AS 28.35.037                                                                
     seeking impoundment or forfeiture  as against all those                                                                
     with  an interest  in the  motor vehicle,  aircraft, or                                                                
     watercraft except  the person charged with  a violation                                                                
     of this  section, that civil  action shall  provide the                                                                
     sole forum in which  lienholders and coowners who claim                                                                
     an  interest   in  the  motor  vehicle,   aircraft,  or                                                                
     watercraft  but  are  not the  person  charged  with  a                                                                
     violation  of this  section can  seek  relief; in  this                                                                
     paragraph,  "interest in  the motor  vehicle, aircraft,                                                                
     or    watercraft"   has    the    meaning   given    in                                                                
     AS 28.35.030(b)(4).                                                                                                    
        * Sec. 42.  AS 28.35.032(h) is amended to read:                                                                       
          (h)  Except as prohibited by federal law or                                                                           
     regulation,  every provider  of  treatment programs  to                                                                    
     which persons  are ordered under [(l)  OF] this section                                                                    
     shall supply  the judge, prosecutor, defendant,  and an                                                                
     agency  involved  in  the  defendant's  treatment  with                                                                
     information  and  reports  concerning  the  defendant's                                                                
     past  and present  assessment, treatment,  and progress                                                                
     [ALASKA  COURT SYSTEM  WITH  THE INFORMATION  REGARDING                                                                    
     THE  CONDITION AND  TREATMENT OF  THOSE PERSONS  AS THE                                                                    
     SUPREME  COURT  MAY  REQUIRE  BY  RULE].    Information                                                                    
     compiled under this subsection  is confidential and may                                                                    
     only  be  used  in connection  with  court  proceedings                                                                
     involving  the defendant  or the  defendant's treatment                                                                
     [BY  A COURT  IN  SENTENCING A  PERSON CONVICTED  UNDER                                                                    
     THIS  SECTION,  OR  BY  AN  OFFICER  OF  THE  COURT  IN                                                                    
     PREPARING  A PRE-SENTENCE  REPORT  FOR THE  USE OF  THE                                                                    
     COURT  IN  SENTENCING  A PERSON  CONVICTED  UNDER  THIS                                                                    
     SECTION]."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
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        "* Sec. 44.  AS 28.35.032(l) is amended to read:                                                                      
          (l)  The court shall order a person convicted                                                                         
     under   this   section   to  satisfy   the   screening,                                                                    
     evaluation,  referral, and  program requirements  of an                                                                    
     alcohol  safety action  program  if such  a program  is                                                                    
     available in  the community  where the  person resides,                                                                    
     or a  private or public treatment  facility approved by                                                                    
     the  division  of alcoholism  and  drug  abuse, of  the                                                                    
     Department  of   Health  and  Social   Services,  under                                                                    
     AS 47.37   to   make   referrals   for   rehabilitative                                                                    
     treatment or  to provide rehabilitative treatment.   If                                                                    
     a person  is convicted under  (p) of this  section, the                                                                    
     court  shall  order  the  person  to  be  evaluated  as                                                                    
     required by  this subsection  before the  court imposes                                                                    
     sentence  for the  offense.   Treatment required  under                                                                
     this subsection shall occur, as  much as possible, when                                                                
     the  person is  incarcerated.   The  cost of  treatment                                                                
     required  under this  subsection shall  be paid  to the                                                                
     state  by  the  person  being treated.    The  cost  of                                                                
     treatment required to  be paid to the  state under this                                                                
     subsection may  not exceed $2,000.   Upon  the person's                                                                
     conviction,  the court  shall include  reimbursement of                                                                
     the  cost  of treatment  as  a  part of  the  sentence.                                                                
     Except   for  reimbursement   from  a   permanent  fund                                                                
     dividend  as provided  in this  subsection, payment  of                                                                
     the  cost of  treatment is  not required  if the  court                                                                
     determines  the  person  is indigent.    For  costs  of                                                                
     treatment that are  not paid by the  person as required                                                                
     by this subsection, the  state shall seek reimbursement                                                                
     from the  person's permanent fund dividend  as provided                                                                
     in  AS 43.23.065.     In  this  subsection,   "cost  of                                                                
     treatment" does not include costs  incurred as a result                                                                
     of   treatment  not   required   under  the   treatment                                                                
     standards established under this subsection.                                                                           
        * Sec. 45.  AS 28.35.032(o) is amended to read:                                                                       
          (o)  Imprisonment required under (g)(1)(A) or (B)                                                                     
     of  this  section  shall  be   served  at  a  community                                                                    
     residential  center,  or  if  a  community  residential                                                                    
     center is  not available, at another  appropriate place                                                                    
     determined  by the  commissioner of  corrections.   The                                                                    
     cost  of  imprisonment   resulting  from  the  sentence                                                                    
     imposed under (g)(1)  of this section shall  be paid to                                                                    
     the  state  by  the person  being  sentenced  provided,                                                                    
     however, that  the cost of imprisonment  required to be                                                                    
     paid  under  this  subsection  may  not  exceed  $2,000                                                                
     [$1,000].   Upon  the  person's  conviction, the  court                                                                    
     shall include  the costs of  imprisonment as a  part of                                                                    
     the judgment  of conviction.  Except  for reimbursement                                                                    
     from  a permanent  fund dividend  as  provided in  this                                                                    
     subsection, payment of the cost  of imprisonment is not                                                                    
     required  if   the  court  determines  the   person  is                                                                    
     indigent.  For costs of  imprisonment that are not paid                                                                    
     by  the  person as  required  by  this subsection,  the                                                                    
     state  shall  seek   reimbursement  from  the  person's                                                                    
     permanent    fund    dividend   as    provided    under                                                                    
     AS 43.23.065.  While   at  the   community  residential                                                                    
     center or  other appropriate place, a  person sentenced                                                                    
     under (g)(1)(A) of this section  shall perform at least                                                                    
     24  hours  of  community  service  work  and  a  person                                                                    
     sentenced  under   (g)(1)(B)  of  this   section  shall                                                                    
     perform at  least 160 hours of  community service work,                                                                    
     as   required  by   the  director   of  the   community                                                                    
     residential  center or  other  appropriate  place.   In                                                                    
     this subsection,  "appropriate place" means  a facility                                                                    
     with   24-hour  on-site   staff  supervision   that  is                                                                    
     specifically  adapted  to   provide  a  residence,  and                                                                    
     includes a correctional  center, [RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT                                                                    
     FACILITY,  HOSPITAL,] halfway  house, group  home, work                                                                    
     farm, work  camp, or other place  that provides varying                                                                    
     levels  of restriction;  "appropriate  place" does  not                                                                
     mean a residential treatment facility or a hospital.                                                                   
        * Sec. 46.  AS 28.35.032(p) is amended to read:                                                                       
          (p)  A person is guilty of a class C felony if                                                                        
     the  person is  convicted  under this  section and  has                                                                    
     been  previously  convicted  two or  more  times  since                                                                
     January 1,  1996,  and  within   the  10  [FIVE]  years                                                            
     preceding  the  date  of  the  present  offense.    For                                                                    
     purposes  of  determining  minimum sentences  based  on                                                                    
     previous     convictions,     the     provisions     of                                                                    
     AS 28.35.030(o)(4) apply.  Upon conviction,                                                                                
               (1)   the court  shall impose  a fine  of not                                                                    
     less than  $10,000 [$5,000] and  a minimum  sentence of                                                                
     imprisonment of not less than                                                                                              
               (A)   240 [120] days  if the person  has been                                                                
     previously convicted twice;                                                                                                
               (B)   480 [240] days  if the person  has been                                                                
     previously convicted three times;                                                                                          
               (C)  two  years [360] days if  the person has                                                                
     been previously convicted four or more times;                                                                              
               (2)  the court may not                                                                                           
               (A)    suspend   execution  of  the  sentence                                                                    
     required by (1) of  this subsection or grant probation,                                                                    
     except on  condition that the person  serve the minimum                                                                    
     imprisonment under (1) of this subsection; or                                                                              
              (B)  suspend imposition of sentence;                                                                              
               (3)   the court shall permanently  revoke the                                                                
     person's  driver's  license,  privilege  to  drive,  or                                                                    
     privilege to  obtain a  license subject  to restoration                                                                
     under (r) of this section [UNDER AS 28.15.181(c)];                                                                     
               (4)   the court may  order as a  condition of                                                                    
     probation or  parole that  the person  take a  drug, or                                                                    
     combination of  drugs, intended to  prevent consumption                                                                    
     of  an alcoholic  beverage;  a  condition of  probation                                                                    
     imposed  under this  paragraph is  in  addition to  any                                                                    
     other condition  authorized under another  provision of                                                                    
     law;                                                                                                                       
               (5)  the sentence imposed by the court under                                                                     
     this subsection shall run  consecutively with any other                                                                    
     sentence of imprisonment imposed on the person; [AND]                                                                      
               (6)  the court may also order impoundment                                                                    
     [FORFEITURE] under AS 28.35.036,  of the motor vehicle,                                                            
     [OR] aircraft, or watercraft used  in the commission of                                                                
     the  offense,  or  forfeiture  of  the  motor  vehicle,                                                                
     aircraft,  or watercraft  [SUBJECT TO  REMISSION] under                                                                
     AS 28.35.037; and                                                                                                      
               (7)  shall order the department to revoke                                                                    
     the  registration for  any  vehicle  registered by  the                                                                
     department in  the name of  the person  convicted under                                                                
     this  subsection;  if  a person  convicted  under  this                                                                
     subsection is  a registered co-owner of  a vehicle, the                                                                
     department shall  reissue the vehicle  registration and                                                                
     omit  the  name  of  the person  convicted  under  this                                                                
     subsection.                                                                                                            
        * Sec.  47.  AS 28.35.032  is amended by  adding new                                                                  
     subsections to read:                                                                                                       
          (r)  Upon request, the department shall review a                                                                      
     driver's  license revocation  imposed  under (p)(3)  of                                                                    
     this section and may restore the driver's license if                                                                       
               (1)  the license has been revoked for a                                                                          
     period of at least 10 years;                                                                                               
               (2)  the person has not been convicted of a                                                                      
     criminal offense since the license was revoked; and                                                                        
               (3)  the person provides proof of financial                                                                      
     responsibility.                                                                                                            
          (s)  A person who fails to satisfy alcoholism                                                                         
     treatment  requirements  imposed  by the  court  or  an                                                                    
     authorized  agency under  (l)  of this  section is  not                                                                    
     eligible  for  good   time  deductions  credited  under                                                                    
     AS 33.20.                                                                                                                  
          (t)  If a person is convicted under this section                                                                      
     and  has been  previously  convicted,  the court  shall                                                                    
     order the  person to surrender the  registration plates                                                                    
     for  any vehicle  registered  or  co-registered in  the                                                                    
     person's  name.     The  person  shall   surrender  the                                                                    
     registration plates  to the department by  the close of                                                                    
     the next business day.   A person other than the person                                                                    
     convicted under this section who  applies to register a                                                                    
     motor vehicle  that has  registration plates  that were                                                                    
     required to be surrendered  under this section but that                                                                    
     were  not surrendered  as required  by this  subsection                                                                    
     may  not   register  the  vehicle  unless   the  person                                                                    
     registering the vehicle  provides proof satisfactory to                                                                    
     the department  that the person  did not know  that the                                                                    
     registration  plates were  required  to be  surrendered                                                                    
     under  this subsection  or the  person  pays twice  the                                                                    
     applicable    registration     fee    required    under                                                                    
     AS 28.10.421."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 27, line 26, through page 28, line 6:                                                                                 
          Delete all material.                                                                                                  
          Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                     
        "* Sec. 53.   AS 28.35.036 is repealed and reenacted                                                                  
     to read:                                                                                                                   
          Sec. 28.35.036.  Impoundment of a motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft,  or  watercraft.    (a)    A  motor  vehicle,                                                                  
     aircraft,  or  watercraft  may   be  impounded  if  the                                                                    
     impoundment is  incident to a  valid arrest by  a peace                                                                    
     officer  and there  is probable  cause  to believe  the                                                                    
     motor vehicle, aircraft, or  watercraft was operated or                                                                    
     driven  by a  person  while committing  a violation  of                                                                    
     AS 28.35.030 or 28.35.032.   A motor vehicle, aircraft,                                                                    
     or watercraft  impounded under this subsection  may not                                                                    
     be held for  more than two days, unless  a court orders                                                                    
     continuation of the impoundment.                                                                                           
          (b)  If a person is convicted under AS 28.35.030                                                                      
     or 28.35.032, the court shall  order impoundment of the                                                                    
     motor vehicle, aircraft, or  watercraft involved in the                                                                    
     commission of the  offense for a period of  at least 30                                                                    
     days.                                                                                                                      
          (c)  Notwithstanding any other provisions of law,                                                                     
     costs  of impoundment  incurred by  the state  shall be                                                                    
     waived by the state  or, if already collected, refunded                                                                    
     by  the  state,  if  the  person  operating  the  motor                                                                    
     vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft during  the incident                                                                    
     that  resulted in  impoundment is  not  convicted of  a                                                                    
     violation of AS 28.35.030 or 28.35.032.                                                                                    
          (d)  A motor vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft                                                                         
     ordered  impounded  under  this  section  that  is  not                                                                    
     claimed  at  the end  of  the  court-ordered period  of                                                                    
     impoundment may be disposed of  under the provisions of                                                                    
     this section.   If the  contents of the  motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or watercraft have  not been recovered before                                                                    
     disposal,  the contents  may be  disposed  of with  the                                                                    
     motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or  watercraft.    Personal                                                                    
     property in  a motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft                                                                    
     that  is  subject  to a  motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft return  bond and that has  not been released                                                                    
     under  the  motor   vehicle,  aircraft,  or  watercraft                                                                    
     return bond can  be recovered only by the  owner of the                                                                    
     motor vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft and  only upon                                                                    
     payment of  a fee  charged for monitoring  the recovery                                                                    
     of  the personal  property.   The fee  shall be  set by                                                                    
     contract between the towing  and storage contractor and                                                                    
     the state if  it is not established  by the department.                                                                    
     The fee shall be recoverable  by the owner of the motor                                                                    
     vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft if  a court  makes a                                                                    
     specific  finding   that  the  seizure  of   the  motor                                                                    
     vehicle,   aircraft,   or    watercraft   was   legally                                                                    
     unjustified following  a contested  hearing or  under a                                                                    
     stipulation between the parties.                                                                                           
          (e)  A motor vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft                                                                         
     that is impounded and that  has not been released under                                                                    
     (g) of  this section  shall be held  in the  custody of                                                                    
     the department  or a private corporation  authorized by                                                                    
     the department to retain custody  of the motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or watercraft, subject only  to an order of a                                                                    
     court of  competent jurisdiction.  If  a motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft,  or   watercraft  is  impounded   under  this                                                                    
     section, the department or an authorized designee may                                                                      
               (1)  remove the motor vehicle, aircraft, or                                                                      
     watercraft  and  any  contents of  the  motor  vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or  watercraft to a  place designated  by the                                                                    
     court; or                                                                                                                  
               (2)  take custody of the motor vehicle,                                                                          
     aircraft, or  watercraft and any contents  of the motor                                                                    
     vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft  and remove it  to an                                                                    
     appropriate  location  for  disposition  in  accordance                                                                    
     with law.                                                                                                                  
          (f)  A private corporation may not make or                                                                            
     perform a contract to tow,  store, or retain custody of                                                                    
     a  motor  vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft  impounded                                                                    
     under  this  section  if  any of  the  owners  of  that                                                                    
     private corporation have been  convicted of a felony or                                                                    
     a  crime involving  larceny,  theft,  or receiving  and                                                                    
     concealing stolen  property within 10 years  before the                                                                    
     date of  execution of the  contract or during  the term                                                                    
     of the  contract.  A  private corporation may  not make                                                                    
     or perform a contract to  tow, store, or retain custody                                                                    
     of a  motor vehicle, aircraft, or  watercraft seized or                                                                    
     impounded  under this  section  if an  employee of  the                                                                    
     private corporation  has been convicted of  a felony or                                                                    
     a  crime involving  larceny,  theft,  or receiving  and                                                                    
     concealing  stolen property  within  five years  before                                                                    
     the date  of execution  of the  contract or  during the                                                                    
     term of the contract.                                                                                                      
          (g)  Unless a motor vehicle, aircraft, or                                                                             
     watercraft  is   released  under  an   agreement  under                                                                    
     AS 28.35.037(j),  the person  seeking  possession of  a                                                                    
     motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or  watercraft impounded  by                                                                    
     the state  must obtain an order  authorizing release of                                                                    
     the motor vehicle, aircraft, or  watercraft.  A release                                                                    
     may  not be  granted unless  the applicant  can satisfy                                                                    
     the     release     provisions    established     under                                                                    
     AS 12.30.020(k).                                                                                                           
          (h)  An impoundment may be resolved under                                                                             
     AS 28.35.037(j).                                                                                                           
        * Sec.  54.  AS 28.35.037 is  repealed and reenacted                                                                  
     to read:                                                                                                                   
               Sec. 28.35.037.  Forfeiture of a motor                                                                         
     vehicle,    aircraft, or  watercraft.    (a)   After  a                                                                  
     person is  convicted of  an offense  under AS 28.35.030                                                                    
     or  28.35.032, the  court may  order that  the person's                                                                    
     interest in the motor  vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft                                                                    
     involved in the commission  of the offense be forfeited                                                                    
     to  the state  if the  person has  any interest  in the                                                                    
     motor vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft.                                                                                    
          (b)  If forfeiture is ordered under (a) of this                                                                       
     section,  the court  shall schedule  a  hearing on  the                                                                    
     matter  and shall  notify the  state and  the convicted                                                                    
     person of the time and place set for the hearing.                                                                          
          (c)  In addition to forfeiture in conjunction                                                                         
     with a  criminal proceeding under (b)  of this section,                                                                    
     the  department  shall  seek   forfeiture  of  a  motor                                                                    
     vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft in a  civil action or                                                                    
     in an administrative action if  the person who operates                                                                    
     or drives  the motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft                                                                    
     involved in  a violation  of AS 28.35.030  or 28.35.032                                                                    
     has been  previously convicted.  After  commencement of                                                                    
     an  administrative  forfeiture action,  the  department                                                                    
     shall provide notice as described  under (e) and (f) of                                                                    
     this  section  and  shall schedule  a  hearing  on  the                                                                    
     matter.   The  prevailing  party  in an  administrative                                                                    
     forfeiture action  shall be awarded the  same costs and                                                                    
     attorney fees  that would be  awarded under  the Alaska                                                                    
     Rules  of  Civil  Procedure.     Upon  request  of  the                                                                    
     department  or a  claimant, a  civil or  administrative                                                                    
     action   seeking  forfeiture   of   a  motor   vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft,   or  watercraft   shall  be   delayed  until                                                                    
     conclusion of any pending  criminal charges arising out                                                                    
     of  the   incident  giving   rise  to   the  forfeiture                                                                    
     proceedings.                                                                                                               
          (d)  An administrative hearing required under (c)                                                                     
     of this section shall be  held before a hearing officer                                                                    
     designated by  the commissioner.   Upon the  consent of                                                                    
     the administrative director of  the state court system,                                                                    
     the commissioner  may designate a district  court judge                                                                    
     or a magistrate  to serve as the hearing  officer.  The                                                                    
     hearing officer has the authority to                                                                                       
               (1)  administer oaths and affirmations;                                                                          
               (2)  examine witnesses and take testimony;                                                                       
               (3)  receive relevant evidence;                                                                                  
               (4)  issue subpoenas, take depositions, or                                                                       
     cause depositions or interrogatories to be taken;                                                                          
               (5)  regulate the course and conduct of the                                                                      
     hearing;                                                                                                                   
               (6)  make a final ruling on the issue.                                                                           
          (e)  Upon receiving notice from the court of the                                                                      
     time and place  set for a forfeiture  hearing under (b)                                                                    
     of this section,  or upon initiating a  civil action or                                                                    
     an administrative  forfeiture action under (c)  of this                                                                    
     section, the  state shall provide  to every  person who                                                                    
     has,  according to  the records  of the  department, an                                                                    
     ownership or  security interest  in the  motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or watercraft written notice that includes                                                                       
               (1)  a description of the motor vehicle,                                                                         
     aircraft, or watercraft;                                                                                                   
               (2)  the time and place of the forfeiture                                                                        
     hearing;                                                                                                                   
               (3)  the legal authority under which the                                                                         
     motor   vehicle,  aircraft,   or   watercraft  may   be                                                                    
     forfeited;                                                                                                                 
               (4)  notice of the right to appear to                                                                            
     protect the  interest in  the motor  vehicle, aircraft,                                                                    
     or watercraft.                                                                                                             
          (f)  If the registered owner of the motor                                                                             
     vehicle,   aircraft,  or   watercraft   subject  to   a                                                                    
     forfeiture  action  cannot  be  determined  from    the                                                                    
     records of  the department,  the state shall  publish a                                                                    
     notice  of the  forfeiture action  for two  consecutive                                                                    
     weeks  in a  newspaper  of general  circulation in  the                                                                    
     judicial  district in  which the  forfeiture action  is                                                                    
     filed.   The notice must  include a description  of the                                                                    
     motor vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft, the  time and                                                                    
     place  of impoundment,  and directions  as  to whom  to                                                                    
     contact for more information.                                                                                              
          (g)  A person who fails to enter an appearance in                                                                     
     an  administrative  forfeiture  action within  20  days                                                                    
     after receiving  written notice  required under  (e) of                                                                    
     this section or 20 days  after completion of the notice                                                                    
     required  under  (f)  of  this  section,  whichever  is                                                                    
     later,  waives the  right to  object to  the forfeiture                                                                    
     action.   A  party who  requests a  hearing in  a civil                                                                    
     forfeiture  action shall  be  deemed  to have  received                                                                    
     notice of the  civil action as required by  (f) of this                                                                    
     section.   A party who  secures the release of  a motor                                                                    
     vehicle,  aircraft,  or  watercraft pending  a  hearing                                                                    
     shall accept service  of notice of the  civil action as                                                                    
     a condition of release  of the motor vehicle, aircraft,                                                                    
     or  watercraft.    For   a  regulated  lienholder,  the                                                                    
     requirement of  notice of  claim and  answer is  met by                                                                    
     filing  the  information  required under  (s)  of  this                                                                    
     section  and  including  a statement  of  the  original                                                                    
     amount  of the  loan giving  rise to  the lien  and the                                                                    
     current balance of that loan.                                                                                              
          (h)  At a forfeiture hearing required under (b)                                                                       
     or  (c)  of  this  section, a  person  other  than  the                                                                    
     defendant who claims an  ownership or security interest                                                                    
     in  the motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft  shall                                                                    
     establish by a preponderance of the evidence that                                                                          
               (1)  the person has an interest in the motor                                                                     
     vehicle,  aircraft,  or  watercraft  acquired  in  good                                                                    
     faith;                                                                                                                     
               (2)  a person other than the claimant was                                                                        
     convicted  of   the  offense   that  resulted   in  the                                                                    
     forfeiture;                                                                                                                
               (3)  before parting with possession of the                                                                       
     motor vehicle,  aircraft, or watercraft the  person did                                                                    
     not know  or have reasonable  cause to believe  that it                                                                    
     would be used in the commission of an offense; and                                                                         
               (4)  the costs of impoundment have been paid                                                                     
     as required under AS 28.35.036.                                                                                            
          (i)  If the state is seeking forfeiture of a                                                                          
     motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft  in a  hearing                                                                    
     required  under (b)  or  (c) of  this  section and  the                                                                    
     person  who was  in  possession of  the motor  vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or  watercraft during  the commission  of the                                                                    
     offense  was  driving  with   a  suspended  license  in                                                                    
     violation of AS 28.15.291 or was  the spouse, child, or                                                                    
     sibling  of  a person  with  an  ownership or  security                                                                    
     interest   in   the   motor   vehicle,   aircraft,   or                                                                    
     watercraft, it  is rebuttably presumed that  the person                                                                    
     holding the ownership or security  interest did know or                                                                    
     have  reasonable  cause  to   believe  that  the  motor                                                                    
     vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft would be  used in the                                                                    
     commission of an offense.                                                                                                  
          (j)  The state may enter into an agreement with                                                                       
     the registered owner or lienholder  of a motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft,  or   watercraft  to   resolve  a   civil  or                                                                    
     administrative impound or  forfeiture action and permit                                                                    
     release of the motor  vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft.                                                                    
     Any  agreement  allowed   under  this  subsection  must                                                                    
     include                                                                                                                    
               (1)  acceptance by the owner or lienholder                                                                       
     of  responsibility  for  meeting  the  requirements  of                                                                    
     AS 12.30.020(k)(1);                                                                                                        
               (2)  agreement that the owner or lienholder                                                                      
     shall prevent  the individual  arrested for  or charged                                                                    
     with  a violation  of  AS 28.35.030  or 28.35.032  from                                                                    
     operating  the motor  vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft                                                                    
     until properly licensed; and                                                                                               
               (3)  acknowledgment by the owner or                                                                              
     lienholder that failure to  fulfill an obligation under                                                                    
     the  agreement may  result in  forfeiture of  the motor                                                                    
     vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft at the  option of the                                                                    
     state;  this paragraph  does not  apply to  a regulated                                                                    
     lienholder.                                                                                                                
          (k)  An acquittal or a conviction of a lesser                                                                         
     offense  in a  criminal proceeding  for a  violation of                                                                    
     AS 28.35.030  or  28.35.032  provides a  defense  in  a                                                                    
     civil or administrative  proceeding seeking impoundment                                                                    
     or  forfeiture  of  the  motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft if  that civil or  administrative proceeding                                                                    
     is based on  the same conduct that forms  the basis for                                                                    
     the criminal charge.                                                                                                       
          (l)  A claimant who is not charged with a                                                                             
     violation  of AS 28.35.030  or  28.35.032 may  petition                                                                    
     for  setting or  revision of  bail release  of a  motor                                                                    
     vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft  before  a civil  or                                                                    
     administrative  action is  filed.   A petition  allowed                                                                    
     under  this subsection  shall  be made  to  a court  of                                                                    
     competent jurisdiction.                                                                                                    
          (m)  If the state is seeking forfeiture of a                                                                          
     motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or  watercraft  under  this                                                                    
     section  and  a  person  meets   the  burden  of  proof                                                                    
     required under  (h) of this  section, the court  or the                                                                    
     department shall  release the motor  vehicle, aircraft,                                                                    
     or watercraft to the person  together with title to the                                                                    
     motor vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft if                                                                                  
               (1)  the person is an owner or co-owner of                                                                       
     the motor vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft;                                                                                
               (2)  the value of the person's interest                                                                          
     exceeds the  value of the  motor vehicle,  aircraft, or                                                                    
     watercraft; or                                                                                                             
               (3)  the value of the interest is less than                                                                      
     the   value  of   the  motor   vehicle,  aircraft,   or                                                                    
     watercraft  and the  person agrees  to  sell the  motor                                                                    
     vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft  and pay the state the                                                                    
     value of the offender's  interest in the motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or watercraft.                                                                                                   
          (n)  Upon forfeiture of a motor vehicle,                                                                              
     aircraft, or  watercraft, the  court or  the department                                                                    
     shall  require the  surrender of  the registration  and                                                                    
     certificate of  title of that motor  vehicle, aircraft,                                                                    
     or  watercraft.   The registration  and certificate  of                                                                    
     title shall be delivered to the department.                                                                                
          (o)  A motor vehicle, aircraft, or watercraft                                                                         
     forfeited under this section may  be disposed of by the                                                                    
     department as  provided under this subsection.   Before                                                                    
     disposing of  a motor vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft                                                                    
     forfeited  under  this  section, the  department  shall                                                                    
     make  an  inventory  of  the   contents  of  any  motor                                                                    
     vehicle,  aircraft,  or  watercraft seized.    Property                                                                    
     forfeited under  this section  includes both  the motor                                                                    
     vehicle, aircraft,  or watercraft  that is  the subject                                                                    
     of the forfeiture action and  the contents of the motor                                                                    
     vehicle,  aircraft,  or  watercraft if  those  contents                                                                    
     have  not  been  recovered  before   the  date  of  the                                                                    
     disposal.   A  motor vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft                                                                    
     forfeited under this section may  be disposed of at the                                                                    
     discretion of the department including                                                                                     
               (1)  sale of the property at an auction                                                                          
     conducted by an auctioneer  not employed by the impound                                                                    
     contractor where  the proceeds are used  for payment of                                                                    
     all proper  expenses of seizure, custody,  the costs of                                                                    
     the  auction, court  costs, and  attorney fees;  if the                                                                    
     sale  is arranged  for by  the impound  contractor, the                                                                    
     department  shall receive  at least  30 percent  of the                                                                    
     proceeds  of  any  sale of  forfeited  motor  vehicles,                                                                    
     aircraft,  or watercraft  following  deduction for  the                                                                    
     costs charged by the auctioneer  for the auction of the                                                                    
     motor vehicles,  aircraft, or watercraft  regardless of                                                                    
     whether  the costs  of impound  and storage  exceed the                                                                    
     value of  the motor  vehicles, aircraft,  or watercraft                                                                    
     sold;                                                                                                                      
               (2)  taking custody of the property and                                                                          
     using it in the enforcement  of the municipal and state                                                                    
     criminal codes; or                                                                                                         
               (3)  destroying the property.                                                                                    
          (p)  Within 30 days after the issuance of the                                                                         
     final  determination  of   the  department  under  this                                                                    
     section, a  person aggrieved  by the  determination may                                                                    
     file an  appeal in  superior court for  judicial review                                                                    
     of  the  department's   determination.    The  judicial                                                                    
     review  shall   be  on   the  record,   without  taking                                                                    
     additional  testimony.    The  court  may  reverse  the                                                                    
     department's determination if the  court finds that the                                                                    
     department   misinterpreted  the   law,  acted   in  an                                                                    
     arbitrary   and   capricious    manner,   or   made   a                                                                    
     determination  unsupported  by   the  evidence  in  the                                                                    
     record.                                                                                                                    
          (q)  Forfeiture of a motor vehicle, aircraft, or                                                                      
     watercraft under  this section extinguishes  the rights                                                                    
     of all claimants or creditors  who do not appear at the                                                                    
     forfeiture hearing under (b) or (c) of this section.                                                                       
          (r)  For purposes of this section, convictions                                                                        
     both for  driving while intoxicated  under AS 28.35.030                                                                    
     and  for   refusal  to  submit   to  a   chemical  test                                                                    
     authorized  under AS 28.35.031(a)  or  (g), if  arising                                                                    
     out of  a single transaction  and a single  arrest, are                                                                    
     considered one conviction.                                                                                                 
          (s)  A claimant who is a regulated lienholder                                                                         
     meets the  burden of proof  required under (h)  of this                                                                    
     section by  filing with the  court a copy of  the motor                                                                    
     vehicle's, aircraft's,  or watercraft's  certificate of                                                                    
     title  or  other  security  instrument  reflecting  the                                                                    
     lien, together with an affidavit  stating the amount of                                                                    
     the lien and  stating that the claimant  is a regulated                                                                    
     lienholder  and  was not  in  possession  of the  motor                                                                    
     vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft at  the time  of the                                                                    
     act that resulted in the  seizure of the motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or  watercraft.  The presumption  provided in                                                                    
     (i)  of this  section  does not  apply  to a  regulated                                                                    
     lienholder.                                                                                                                
          (t)  Nothing in this section shall be construed                                                                       
     to place upon a regulated  lienholder a duty to inquire                                                                    
     into the  driving record of  any loan applicant  or any                                                                    
     member  of the  loan applicant's  family or  household,                                                                    
     and  failure to  do  so  may not  be  used as  evidence                                                                    
     against  the  regulated  lienholder in  any  forfeiture                                                                    
     proceeding  or  other  civil action.    Knowledge  from                                                                    
     other sources  of the  loan applicant's  driving record                                                                    
     is usable only to the  extent that it is relevant under                                                                    
     (h) of this section.                                                                                                       
          (u)  Property subject to the interest of a                                                                            
     regulated  lienholder  whose   interest  has  not  been                                                                    
     forfeited may  not be disposed  of as provided  in this                                                                    
     section  except  with  the  consent  of  the  regulated                                                                    
     lienholder.   A  regulated lienholder's  interest in  a                                                                    
     motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or watercraft  may  not  be                                                                    
     subject to forfeiture in any case where                                                                                    
               (1)  the individual who allegedly used the                                                                       
     motor vehicle, aircraft, or  watercraft in violation of                                                                    
     AS 28.35.030  or  28.35.032  is not  the  person  whose                                                                    
     dealings with the lienholder gave rise to the lien; or                                                                     
               (2)  the motor vehicle, aircraft, or                                                                             
     watercraft that the  individual was driving, operating,                                                                    
     or in  actual physical  control of at  the time  of the                                                                    
     alleged violation was not  the motor vehicle, aircraft,                                                                    
     or watercraft involved in the  offense giving rise to a                                                                    
     conviction under AS 28.35.030 or 28.35.032.                                                                                
          (v)  A claimant may petition the court for sale                                                                       
     of  a motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or watercraft  before                                                                    
     final  disposition of  court  proceedings.   The  court                                                                    
     shall grant  a petition  for sale  upon a  finding that                                                                    
     the  sale  is  in  the  best  interest  of  the  state.                                                                    
     Proceeds from  the sale  plus interest  to the  date of                                                                    
     final disposition  of the court proceedings  become the                                                                    
     subject of the forfeiture action.                                                                                          
          (w)  Property forfeited and sold at auction under                                                                     
     this section  shall be sold  by an  auctioneer approved                                                                    
     before  the  auction by  the  department.   Before  the                                                                    
     auction,  the department  must approve  in advance  the                                                                    
     auctioneer's costs  or the  method for  determining the                                                                    
     auctioneer's  costs.    The  impound  contractor  shall                                                                    
     provide  to  the department  a  notarized  copy of  the                                                                    
     auctioneer's  report  of  the  auction  signed  by  the                                                                    
     auctioneer.   The department  shall certify  the proper                                                                    
     disposal of property forfeited under this section.                                                                         
          (x)  In a contested forfeiture proceeding                                                                             
     concerning  a motor  vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft                                                                    
     titled  in the  names of  more  than one  owner on  the                                                                    
     certificate  of title,  if  one of  the  owners has  an                                                                    
     interest that is forfeited, the  court (1) may, subject                                                                    
     to (m)  of this  section, order  the forfeiture  of the                                                                    
     entire interest of  all the owners in  a motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or watercraft that is  titled in the names of                                                                    
     more  than one  owner  in the  disjunctive; (2)  shall,                                                                    
     subject to  (m) of  this section, order  the forfeiture                                                                    
     of  the  interest of  any  owner  in a  motor  vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or watercraft that is  titled in the names of                                                                    
     more than  one owner  in the  conjunctive; owners  of a                                                                    
     motor vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft titled  in the                                                                    
     names of  more than  one owner  in the  conjunctive are                                                                    
     rebuttably   presumed  to   own   the  motor   vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft,   or  watercraft   in  equal   shares.     In                                                                    
     circumstances described  in this subsection,  the court                                                                    
     shall  order  that  the  motor  vehicle,  aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft be sold at public  auction and further order                                                                    
     that the proceeds  from the sale of  the motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft,  or watercraft  be  held  by the  department;                                                                    
     after  deduction   of  the  reasonable  costs   of  the                                                                    
     auction, an amount  of the proceeds of  the auction for                                                                    
     the   sale  of   that  motor   vehicle,  aircraft,   or                                                                    
     watercraft that is equal to  the percentage interest of                                                                    
     the owner  whose interest has not  been forfeited shall                                                                    
     be returned  if the owner  whose interest has  not been                                                                    
     forfeited applies  to the department within  60 days of                                                                    
     the auction; if  the owner whose interest  has not been                                                                    
     forfeited  does not  apply  within  that period,  those                                                                    
     funds become the  property of the state  subject to the                                                                    
     rights of any other claimant to those funds.                                                                               
          (y)  A person who has secured the release of a                                                                        
     motor vehicle,  aircraft, or  watercraft under  a motor                                                                    
     vehicle,  aircraft,  or  watercraft return  bond  under                                                                    
     AS 12.30.020(j) and  who wilfully fails to  return that                                                                    
     motor vehicle, aircraft, or  watercraft when ordered by                                                                    
     a  court  or  an  administrative  hearing  officer,  is                                                                    
     guilty of a violation.   Each day that a motor vehicle,                                                                    
     aircraft, or  watercraft is not returned  constitutes a                                                                    
     separate offense under this subsection.                                                                                    
          (z)  In this section,                                                                                                 
               (1)  "legally unjustified" means there was                                                                       
     no                                                                                                                         
               (A)  reasonable suspicion for the stop; or                                                                       
              (B)  probable cause for the arrest;                                                                               
               (2)  "previously convicted" has the meaning                                                                      
     given in AS 28.35.030(o);                                                                                                  
               (3)  "regulated lienholder" means an entity                                                                      
     whose  lien   on  the   motor  vehicle,   aircraft,  or                                                                    
     watercraft is  a result of lending  activities that are                                                                    
     subject  to regulation  by  the  National Credit  Union                                                                    
     Administration,  the   Comptroller  of   the  Currency,                                                                    
     federal   banking   regulators,   the   Federal   Trade                                                                    
     Commission,   or  the   Department  of   Community  and                                                                    
     Economic Development.                                                                                                      
        * Sec. 55.  AS 28.35.038 is amended to read:                                                                          
          Sec. 28.35.038.  Municipal impoundment and                                                                          
     forfeiture.   Notwithstanding other provisions  in this                                                                  
     title, a municipality may  adopt an ordinance providing                                                                    
     for the  impoundment or forfeiture  of a  motor vehicle                                                                    
     [,] or  aircraft [,] involved  in the commission  of an                                                                    
     offense under AS 28.35.030,  28.35.032, or an ordinance                                                                    
     with elements substantially  similar to AS 28.35.030 or                                                                    
     28.35.032.   An  ordinance adopted  under this  section                                                                    
     may  include   a  fee  for  the   administrative  costs                                                                
     incurred by the municipality and  is not required to be                                                                
     consistent  with  this  title  or  regulations  adopted                                                                    
     under this title."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 28, line 28:                                                                                                          
          Delete "Section 6"                                                                                                    
          Insert "Section 7"                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 29, line 2:                                                                                                           
          Delete "Section 47"                                                                                                   
          Insert "Section 56"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 29, line 3:                                                                                                           
          Delete "Section 51"                                                                                                   
          Insert "Section 60"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Amendment 36 [22-LS0046\S.25, Ford, 3/28/01] (original version;                                                               
adopted after being amended twice):                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, following line 19:                                                                                                 
          Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                    
        "*  Sec. 7.   AS 28.10  is amended  by adding  a new                                                                  
     section to read:                                                                                                           
          Sec. 28.10.453.  Seizure of registration plates                                                                     
     resulting from chemical sobriety  tests and refusals to                                                                  
     submit to  tests.   (a)  If  a law  enforcement officer                                                                  
     seizes  a  driver's  license  under  AS 28.15.165,  the                                                                    
     officer shall  also seize  the registration  plates for                                                                    
     the motor  vehicle the person  was operating  and shall                                                                    
     deliver the registration plates to the department.                                                                         
          (b)  The law enforcement officer who seizes                                                                           
     registration plates under this section shall                                                                               
               (1)  issue a temporary permit under which                                                                        
     the  vehicle may  be operated  that expires  seven days                                                                    
     after it is delivered to the person; and                                                                                   
               (2)  give the person written notice that,                                                                        
     unless  the  person,  within seven  days,  requests  an                                                                    
     administrative    review   under    AS 28.15.166,   the                                                                    
     department  shall  suspend  the  registration  for  the                                                                    
     motor  vehicle  and  retain  possession  of  the  motor                                                                    
     vehicle registration  plates as  provided under  (d) of                                                                    
     this section.                                                                                                              
          (c)  Unless the person has obtained a stay of a                                                                       
     departmental   action   under  AS 28.15.166,   if   the                                                                    
     chemical  test  administered under  AS 28.33.031(a)  or                                                                    
     AS 28.35.031(a) or  (g) produced a result  described in                                                                    
     AS 28.35.030(a)(2) or  the person refused to  submit to                                                                    
     a  chemical test  authorized  under AS 28.33.031(a)  or                                                                    
     AS 28.35.031(a)  or (g),  the  department shall  revoke                                                                    
     the   registration  for   the  motor   vehicle.     The                                                                    
     department's  action  takes  effect  seven  days  after                                                                    
     delivery  to the  person of  the notice  required under                                                                    
     (b)  of this  section,  and after  receipt  of a  sworn                                                                    
     report of a law  enforcement officer as described under                                                                    
     AS 28.15.165(c).                                                                                                           
          (d)  The period of revocation of a motor vehicle                                                                      
     registration  under  this  section  shall  be  for  the                                                                    
     appropriate   minimum  period   for  driver's   license                                                                    
     revocations    under     AS 28.15.181(c)    or    court                                                                    
     disqualifications  under  AS 28.33.140.   A  department                                                                    
     hearing  officer   may  grant  limited   motor  vehicle                                                                    
     registration  privileges   to  a  person   whose  motor                                                                    
     vehicle registration was revoked  under this section in                                                                    
     accordance with  the standards set out  in AS 28.15.201                                                                    
     for granting limited driver's license privileges.                                                                          
          (e)  The department shall allow a person who is a                                                                     
     co-owner of a  motor vehicle and who is  not the person                                                                    
     who   was  operating   the  motor   vehicle  when   the                                                                    
     registration  plates  were  seized under  (a)  of  this                                                                    
     section to register the motor  vehicle without the name                                                                    
     of the  person who was  operating the vehicle  when the                                                                    
     registration  plates  were  seized under  (a)  of  this                                                                    
     section.  If  a person registers a  motor vehicle under                                                                    
     this  subsection,  the  department  shall  reissue  the                                                                    
     registration plates seized under (a) of this section."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, following line 8:                                                                                                  
          Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                     
        "* Sec. 11.  AS 28.15.166(a) is amended to read:                                                                      
          (a)  A person who has received a notice under                                                                         
     AS 28.10.453(b) or  AS 28.15.165(a) may make  a written                                                                
     request for  administrative review of  the department's                                                                    
     action under AS 28.10.453(c)  or AS 28.15.165(c) or for                                                                
     limited  motor  vehicle registration  privileges  under                                                                
     AS 28.10.453(d)  or  for   limited  license  privileges                                                                
     under  AS 28.15.165(d).     If  the  person's  driver's                                                                    
     license  has not  been  previously  surrendered to  the                                                                    
     department, it  shall be surrendered to  the department                                                                    
     at the time the request for review is made.                                                                                
        * Sec. 12.  AS 28.15.166(b) is amended to read:                                                                       
          (b)  A request for review of the department's                                                                         
     action  under  AS 28.10.453  or AS 28.15.165  shall  be                                                                
     made  within seven  days after  receipt  of the  notice                                                                    
     under  AS 28.10.453 or  AS 28.15.165, or  the right  to                                                            
     review  is  waived and  the  action  of the  department                                                                    
     under AS 28.10.453(c) or AS 28.15.165(c)  is final.  If                                                                
     a  written   request  for  a   review  is   made  after                                                                    
     expiration  of  the  seven-day period,  and  if  it  is                                                                    
     accompanied  by  the   applicant's  verified  statement                                                                    
     explaining the failure  to make a timely  request for a                                                                    
     review, the  department shall receive and  consider the                                                                    
     request.  If  the department finds that  the person was                                                                    
     unable  to make  a timely  request because  of lack  of                                                                    
     actual notice of the department's  action or because of                                                                    
     factors of physical  incapacity such as hospitalization                                                                    
     or  incarceration,  the   department  shall  waive  the                                                                    
     period of limitation, reopen the  matter, and grant the                                                                    
     review  request.    An   initial  request  for  limited                                                                    
     license   privileges  may   be   made   at  any   time.                                                                    
     Subsequent requests for  limited license privileges may                                                                    
     not  be  made  unless   the  applicant  demonstrates  a                                                                    
     significant change in circumstances.                                                                                       
        * Sec. 13.  AS 28.15.166(c) is amended to read:                                                                       
          (c)  Upon receipt of a request for review, if it                                                                      
     appears that the person holds  a valid driver's license                                                                    
     or  motor  vehicle  registration plates  and  that  the                                                                
     driver's license  or motor vehicle  registration plates                                                                
     have  [HAS]  been  surrendered,  the  department  shall                                                                
     issue  a temporary  driver's  permit  or motor  vehicle                                                                
     registration  that is  valid until  the scheduled  date                                                                
     for the  review.  A  person who has requested  a review                                                                    
     under this section may request,  and the department may                                                                    
     grant  for good  cause,  a  delay in  the  date of  the                                                                    
     hearing.    If  necessary,  the  department  may  issue                                                                    
     additional  temporary  permits  to stay  the  effective                                                                    
     date  of its  action  under  AS 28.15.165(c) until  the                                                                    
     final order after the review is issued."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 18, line 8, following "AS 28.35.036":                                                                                 
          Insert ";                                                                                                         
               (4)  if the person has been previously                                                                       
     convicted, the  court shall order the  motor vehicle or                                                                
     aircraft  used   in  the  commission  of   the  offense                                                                
     forfeited  under   AS 28.35.036  or  shall   order  the                                                                
     vehicle taken to the  owner's residence and immobilized                                                                
     for  the  period of  time  that  the person's  driver's                                                                
     license is  revoked; the court  shall also  require the                                                                
     person to  pay any administrative costs  of keeping the                                                                
     motor vehicle or aircraft immobilized"                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 29, line 2:                                                                                                           
          Delete "Section 47"                                                                                                   
          Insert "Section 51"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 29, line 3:                                                                                                           
          Delete "sec. 55"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 54"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Amendment 38 [22-LS0046\S.27, Ford, 3/28/01] (withdrawn after                                                                 
being discussed):                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 18, line 8, following "AS 28.35.036":                                                                                 
          Insert ";                                                                                                         
               (4)  the person is disqualified from                                                                         
     receiving    a    permanent   fund    dividend    under                                                                
     AS 43.23.005(d)"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 28, following line 17:                                                                                                
          Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                     
        "* Sec. 49.  AS 43.23.005(d) is amended to read:                                                                      
          (d)  Notwithstanding the provisions of (a) - (c)                                                                      
     of this  section, an individual  is not eligible  for a                                                                    
     permanent fund dividend for a dividend year when                                                                           
               (1)  during the qualifying year, the                                                                             
     individual was  sentenced as a result  of conviction in                                                                    
     this state of a felony;                                                                                                    
               (2)  during all or part of the qualifying                                                                        
     year, the  individual was incarcerated  as a  result of                                                                    
     the conviction in this state of a                                                                                          
               (A)  felony; [OR]                                                                                                
               (B)  misdemeanor if the individual has been                                                                      
     convicted of  two or  more prior  crimes as  defined in                                                                    
     AS 11.81.900; or                                                                                                       
               (C)  violation of AS 28.35.030.                                                                              
        * Sec. 50.  AS 43.23.028(a) is amended to read:                                                                       
          (a)  By October 1 of each year, the commissioner                                                                      
     shall  give   public  notice  of  the   value  of  each                                                                    
     permanent  fund dividend  for that  year and  notice of                                                                    
     the information  required to be disclosed  under (3) of                                                                    
     this  subsection. In  addition,  the  stub attached  to                                                                    
     each  individual  dividend  check  and  direct  deposit                                                                    
     advice must                                                                                                                
               (1)   disclose  the amount  of each  dividend                                                                    
     attributable  to income  earned by  the permanent  fund                                                                    
     from  deposits to  that fund  required  under art.  IX,                                                                    
     sec. 15, Constitution of the State of Alaska;                                                                              
               (2)   disclose  the amount  of each  dividend                                                                    
     attributable  to income  earned by  the permanent  fund                                                                    
     from  appropriations  to  that fund  and  from  amounts                                                                    
     added to that fund to offset the effects of inflation;                                                                     
               (3)    disclose  the  amount  by  which  each                                                                    
     dividend  has been  reduced due  to each  appropriation                                                                    
     from the  dividend fund, including  amounts to  pay the                                                                    
     costs  of administering  the dividend  program and  the                                                                    
     hold harmless provisions of AS 43.23.075;                                                                                  
               (4)   include a statement that  an individual                                                                    
     is not eligible for a dividend when                                                                                        
               (A)     during   the   qualifying  year   the                                                                    
     individual was convicted of a felony;                                                                                      
               (B)   during  all or  part of  the qualifying                                                                    
     year, the  individual was incarcerated  as a  result of                                                                    
     the conviction of a                                                                                                        
               (i)  felony; [OR]                                                                                                
               (ii)  misdemeanor if  the individual has been                                                                    
     convicted of two or more prior crimes; or                                                                              
               (iii)  violation of AS 28.35.030;                                                                            
               (5)      include   a   statement   that   the                                                                    
     legislative  purpose  for   making  individuals  listed                                                                    
     under (4) of this subsection ineligible is to                                                                              
               (A)   obtain  reimbursement for  some of  the                                                                    
     costs  imposed on  the  state  criminal justice  system                                                                    
     related   to  incarceration   or  probation   of  those                                                                    
     individuals;                                                                                                               
               (B)   provide  funds  for  payments to  crime                                                                    
     victims and  for grants for  the operation  of domestic                                                                    
     violence and sexual assault programs;                                                                                      
               (6)   disclose  the total  amount that  would                                                                    
     have  been  paid during  the  previous  fiscal year  to                                                                    
     individuals  who were  ineligible to  receive dividends                                                                    
     under AS 43.23.005(d) if they had been eligible;                                                                           
               (7)   disclose the total  amount appropriated                                                                    
     for the current fiscal year under (b) of this section                                                                      
      for each of the funds and agencies listed in (b) of                                                                       
     this section."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 29, line 3:                                                                                                           
          Delete "sec. 51"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 53"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[End of amendments - the hearing on HB 4 was recessed to a call                                                                 
of the chair, tentatively set for 11 a.m., 4/3/01; HB 4 was held                                                                
over.]                                                                                                                          

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